G-36 scandal

[Vonz90]

Issue with G33 was reliability.

If G36 issue is accuracy, that's an easier fix than reliability. Sounds like the Germans made a good choice if they got a reliable, low cost 5.56 NATO launcher.

I meant to reply to this before, but I've never heard concerns with the HK93/G33 for reliability. If you have references I'm willing to listen or is that a supposition based on what?

The G33 action is basically half way between the G3 and the MP5, both of with I have experience with and are very reliable, so it does not seem likely to me that the G33 would have problems.

http://www.dw.de/heckler-koch-g36-the-r ... a-18402772

Straight from the Pferde's mouth.

Word search shows nothing in this article about the G33, so is this in response to what I am saying?

For the record (as in, I said a few posts ago on this thread) - I'm not a fan of the G36 at all. It was built around a price tag with all of the compromises that entails. I have not fired one but I did handle it a few times in A'stan and it seems very flimsy. The Germans who had them did not say anything positive about them either.

My comment was on the original G3/G33/MP5 family which I found to be quite good. To repeat, I think the Germans should have stuck with their original plans and gone with the G41.

[Wrenchbender1]

I fired one of these back when I was stationed in Germany. I can't vouch for heat related accuracy problems, but the trigger was atrocious. It was harder to pull than a Mosin Nagant revolver. I actually checked the safety twice before I fired the first round because I couldn't believe the trigger was so heavy. From what the soldier told me, the German government decided that a heavy trigger was cheaper than teaching proper muzzle and trigger discipline.

[Langenator]

I fired one of these back when I was stationed in Germany. I can't vouch for heat related accuracy problems, but the trigger was atrocious. It was harder to pull than a Mosin Nagant revolver. I actually checked the safety twice before I fired the first round because I couldn't believe the trigger was so heavy. From what the soldier told me, the German government decided that a heavy trigger was cheaper than teaching proper muzzle and trigger discipline.

So just like the NYPD?

[Combat Controller]

More on the story. Linky

[D5CAV]

Issue with G33 was reliability.

If G36 issue is accuracy, that's an easier fix than reliability. Sounds like the Germans made a good choice if they got a reliable, low cost 5.56 NATO launcher.

I meant to reply to this before, but I've never heard concerns with the HK93/G33 for reliability. If you have references I'm willing to listen or is that a supposition based on what?

The G33 action is basically half way between the G3 and the MP5, both of with I have experience with and are very reliable, so it does not seem likely to me that the G33 would have problems.

G33 is a scaled down G3.

I have had no problems with any G3 variant, HK91, CETME, HK41, PTR, even the crap Century Internationals would run reliably once I found a magazine that would fit in their poorly QC magwell.

I have HK43, HK93, Vector Arms. I don't say they are bad guns, but none are 100% reliable. In my experience, reliability was below the average stock AR. They are not common guns. HK sold maybe 10 HK91s for every HK93. I only have a few friends who have one. They all have similar experience. I can't say I've 'broken in' any of my G33 clones with 1000s of rounds of ammo, and I doubt that any of my friends have either.

However, I haven't 'broken in' other 5.56 NATO launchers that I have found 100% reliable, including SIG 550, SIG 556, Steyr AUG.

I know the German army tested the G33 for years. The HK guys always looked away and shuffled uncomfortably when I asked what happened to the G33, and would quickly change the topic to the virtues of the G36, primarily weight.

Like I said. No one ever complained about reliability in a DI AR10 either. Just because a design works when powered by 7.62 NATO doesn't mean it will work when powered by 5.56 NATO

YMMV