Home defense in non-permissive environments...

[Yogimus]

As I keep saying... unless you train yourself to hit people, you will not be able to do it when the time comes.

Go to kennel, get a medium/large sized dog, and ask her to hit it as hard as she can.

[Netpackrat]

As I keep saying... unless you train yourself to hit people, you will not be able to do it when the time comes.

Go to kennel, get a medium/large sized dog, and ask her to hit it as hard as she can.

I'm not sure how getting charged with animal cruelty is going to help her defend herself. I don't think that anybody is arguing with you about difficulty many people will have with intentionally hitting or stabbing another human being, but this suggestion seems to be a really bad idea.

[Yogimus]

As I keep saying... unless you train yourself to hit people, you will not be able to do it when the time comes.

Go to kennel, get a medium/large sized dog, and ask her to hit it as hard as she can.

I'm not sure how getting charged with animal cruelty is going to help her defend herself. I don't think that anybody is arguing with you about difficulty many people will have with intentionally hitting or stabbing another human being, but this suggestion seems to be a really bad idea.

It's hyperbole. The same thing that prevents us (normal) people from doing it to a dog will hold us back against a person, EVEN WHEN OUR SAFETY IS ON THE LINE. That is why sprays and trigger operated defensive tools are preferable.

[Netpackrat]

Oh. I frickin' hate dogs and have to restrain myself from kicking any that happen to wind up underfoot. But I have to get extremely pissed before I want to take a swing at a person, and it takes a lot to get me there, these days.

[Les Nessman]

Regarding wasp sprays, I had some a few years ago that sent a stream a good ten feet, it wasn't a fog but an actual stream. Killed the wasps immediately too. I don't think I'd want it in my eyes.

About 15 years ago my friend had a wasp nest way the hell up in his house. He's afraid of heights and I'm not so I said I'd spray it. His then father in law worked for the electric company and supposedly had 'the good stuff' for killing hornets on the job.
It did shoot a good solid stream a good ten feet or more and killed the wasps dead right quick.

Unfortunately, while I was up on the ladder a big old drip from the spray can landed dead in my eye. It felt very cold and I immediately went totally blind in that eye. I said 'fuck' very loudly and came down the ladder a quick as I could. The blindness only lasted 10 or 15 seconds with no apparent lasting effects; but it shut me down cold for a minute there.


Tell your friend to do what she must to save her life, whether it be a shotgun or pepperspray; worry about the rest later.

[rightisright]

I would recommend something on the order of an 8 ounce hammer with a straight claw,

An 8 oz hammer will bounce off someones skull unless it has a 50" handle.

A better choice would be a 20 oz framing hammer (straight claw) w. a lanyard loop.

[Aglifter]

I fail to see the connection between hurting a harmless dog, and killing some SOB who needs it.

[McClarkus]

pepper spray for bears = 5% capsasium or whatever that name is
pepper spray for people = 10% same as above.

Go to a law enforcement supply place or uniform place for the good pepper spray. They come in small keychain sizes up to a crowd control size that looks like a honkin big fire extinguisher. Wahla.....best of both worlds.......

[Yogimus]

I fail to see the connection between hurting a harmless dog, and killing some SOB who needs it.

And yet it is still there.

[Aglifter]

So, somehow, growing up on a ranch, butchering, castrating, hunting, etc prepared me for killing a-holes?

I could see that, maybe, for soldiers, where you may have to kill someone whom you don't nec. view as evil, but I don't see a doubt between "killer/robber/rapist" etc, and "someone who needs to die."

When those idiots were trying to carjack me, I really, really, wanted them to just go away, but I decided at what point I was going to fire, and I don't think I was going to suddenly change my mind.