MORE PISTOL CALIBER CARBINE INFO

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MORE PISTOL CALIBER CARBINE INFO

When this issue comes up, I hear discussions about increasing the caliber, and the usual aversion to less powerful rounds.
I think it is a mistake to compare the SMG (semi auto or full auto) with the assault rifle, as much as it is a mistake to compare the assault rifle with the General Purpose Machine Gun. Each tool has its uses. The more specialized the tool, the better it does that particular job. The more general the tool, the more tasks it can perform, but none of those as well as the specialized tool.

The assault rifle (5.56, 5.45, 7.62) is a general purpose tool that does alot of stuff. The SMG (Semi Auto, Full Auto, or PCC, whatever your choice of words) is a specialized tool for special situations, just as the shotgun is a specialized tool, and the sniper rifle is a specialized tool.

Generally speaking, it fits in an application of use between the pistol and the assault rifle. It is generally more compact, easier to hide and carry, and has less sound, reach and penetration. All of these can be assets in a given environment over more powerful weapons. Notice also that I said GENERALLY!

There are Assault Rifles that begin to enter the area of the SMG in their characteristics such as the Suchka (aka "Krinkov") and the AR-15 Commando, but the caliber will still be a disadvantage in the places the SMG will shine. As a matter of note....there are SMGs that go toward the other end of the spectrum as well...closer to a pistol than a true SMG....Micro Uzi, Czech Skorpion, etc.

All bullets in all calibers will work and they will fail. I know of situations where enemy soldiers were hit with 50 caliber rounds, and drug dealers hit with 12 ga slugs and yet continued fighting. I also know of one shot kills with 22 LR.

So while it is agreed that a shot from a 7.62x39 is GENERALLY more devastating than a hit from a 9mm, that does not make the 9mm "impotent", "anemic", or any of the other stupid gun guru sayings. I would invite any gun guru who disdains the 9mm to endure a 15 round magazine of Winchester SXT or Corbon DPX without a whimper. I would happily admit I am wrong after that.

A compact, short barreled (SBR) copy of an SMG, is far more suitable than anything else inside close confines of a building, a house, or a congested wooded area, if the application involves more that hunkering down behind cover and waiting for reinforcements. It can hit better than a pistol, and it will allow you an advantage of control and accuracy at close range, without the sound/flash of the full rifle and without the ballistic concerns of rifle cartridges.

The COMPACT aspect of it cannot be dismissed. It is one of the paramount characteristics that separates it from a similarly sized assault rifle. Any such weapon should have a short-as-possible barrel. The owner should do the SBR paperwork if he can. The M1 Carbine for example, even with an after market folding stock, is as long as one of our AKs or ARs. So will it give an advantage? Only interms of the reduced caliber for SMG applications. Far better would be a US Surplus folding stock, ANDSBR modifications. Think of the old Enforcer pistols...but with a buttstock. Now that would give the Uzi and the Kel-tec a run for their money.

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PISTOL CALIBER CARBINE UPDATE

The more we work with our in-house UZIs, the more we appreciate the weapon. I have been in contact with other staff members who have been working with their Beretta Storms, and other pistol caliber carbines.

When you insert the weapon system into our existing program, you find a weapon that has far more accuracy potential than any handgun, far more precision that any shotgun, and that is far more compact than most rifles.

One mistake is to think of the weapon as a rifle (because that is what those who sell it must call it). It is not a rifle in the sense of an AR-15 or an AK-47. Think of the Pistol Caliber carbine/Submachine gun as an intermediate weapon falling between the defensive weapon (reactive pistol) and the offensive weapon (assault rifle). That some gun gurus sneer at it bothers us not at all. I think many of you would be surprised at how little many of these guys actually know about fighting and killing.

We think its niche is as a quick reaction weapon suited for home/house defense as well as vehicle defense in situations where contacts outside of 25-50 yards are not expected and penetration of cover is not required.

I feel so positive about this that I will invite anyone who has one of these to feel free to bring your Pistol Caliber Carbine/Submachine gun to any class dealing with CQB such as any of the Kalashnikov classes, or any Rifle Gunfighting Classes. I want to see how this platform performs alongside existing systems.

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I have grave doubts that someone could survive a hit w. a 50 BMG round -- barring an incredibly incidental blow to a hand or foot...

[D5CAV]

I have grave doubts that someone could survive a hit w. a 50 BMG round -- barring an incredibly incidental blow to a hand or foot...

I know of one personally - our platoon instructor sergeant at OCS. He was one mass of scar tissue. He had a specially made boot with about a 2" thick sole (to make up for the missing length of leg). He could still run us 'officer-candidates' into the ground.