Oh, Canada

[Rich Jordan]

Kim DuToit posted a link to this one today. Pretty depressing reading if true.

Canada is not America

[scipioafricanus]

Who would have thunk that America's Hat would turn out to be a Stahlhelm.

[D5CAV]

Don't think it's not coming to the USSA.

Think of Canada as a test market for us.gov

I'm not a bitcoin person, but I'm rethinking my position: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2022-02- ... tware-exec

This pretty much sums it up:

I still can't believe that this is the protest that would prove every Bitcoin crank a prophet. And for me to have to slice a piece of humble pie, and admit that I was wrong on crypto's fundamental necessity in Western democracies.

And that it was the Canadians who brought this on? You might as well have told me that it was really the Care Bears who ran Abu Ghraib.

In a way, I'm grateful to Mooselini. It would be easy to write this off if it was the Premier of China or Russia, but Canada?

Even just a few months ago, I would not have found it credible if you said a three-week peaceful protest in Canada could have lead to martial law, frozen bank accounts, and terrorist-financing laws being used to hunt protest donors. Unbelievable then, undeniable now.

That's how I feel. If you had told me a few months ago that Canada would do this, I would have said you listened to too many Alex Jones broadcasts. Now Alex looks like a prophet.

[scipioafricanus]

I thought it was the opposite. Anything related to the internet is going to be found by the gummint. Anything in the banks is going to be stopped. So this should mean mattress time.

[D5CAV]

I thought it was the opposite. Anything related to the internet is going to be found by the gummint. Anything in the banks is going to be stopped. So this should mean mattress time.

Absolutely!

My investment advice for the past 10 years was "plata y plomo" with a little iron mixed in. Mostly iron to launch the plomo, but a few sharp pieces of iron when the plomo runs out.

However, if one of your children happens to be in Uruguay or the Philippines when the time comes to use your "plomo", you can send them the crypto.

Crypto as a store of value? I don't know, but I need to learn the system. Maybe worth losing a few sats to figure it out. Wire transfer through SWIFT codes and Western Union won't work for many of us.

"Plata y plomo" is a little difficult to ship, and I can guarantee that whatever fiat you have in your us.gov "guaranteed" bank account will be gone.

Mooselini and the "She-wolf of Davos" already showed their hand on that one.

[BDK]

I know an “international” couple who switched to bitcoin years ago, just to simplify their life.

I don’t think it will save you from DC going full crazy, but I also don’t know about keeping large amounts of Ag and Au at home.

Admittedly, TMK, PMs are legally “property” (foreign coins might be the safest) and it would take an actual court case to seize it.

[blackeagle603]

re: Bitcoin and

"Anything related to the internet is going to be found by the gummint..."

There are wallets, and then there are wallets...

I.e. not clear how the gumbmint is going to touch a cold wallet

[D5CAV]

Valentine's Day present from the "She-wolf of Davos": https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/202 ... ement.html

She played "Dr. Evil's" hand way before the scheduled time. Thank you Chrystia!

Here's the text;

First: we are broadening the scope of Canada’s anti-money laundering and terrorist financing rules so that they cover crowdfunding platforms and the payment service providers they use. These changes cover all forms of transactions, including digital assets such as cryptocurrencies.

The illegal blockades have highlighted the fact that crowdfunding platforms, and some of the payment service providers they use, are not fully captured under the Proceeds of Crime and Terrorist Financing Act.

Our banks and financial institutions are already obligated to report to the Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada, or FINTRAC. As of today, all crowdfunding platforms, and the payment service providers they use, must register with FINTRAC and they must report large and suspicious transactions to FINTRAC.

This will help mitigate the risk that these platforms receive illicit funds; increase the quality and quantity of intelligence received by FINTRAC; and make more information available to support investigations by law enforcement into these illegal blockades.

We are making these changes because we know that these platforms are being used to support illegal blockades and illegal activity, which is damaging the Canadian economy.

The government will also bring forward legislation to provide these authorities to FINTRAC on a permanent basis.

Second: the government is issuing an order with immediate effect, under the Emergencies Act, authorizing Canadian financial institutions to temporarily cease providing financial services where the institution suspects that an account is being used to further the illegal blockades and occupations. This order covers both personal and corporate accounts.

Third: we are directing Canadian financial institutions to review their relationships with anyone involved in the illegal blockades and report to the RCMP or CSIS.

As of today, a bank or other financial service provider will be able to immediately freeze or suspend an account without a court order. In doing so, they will be protected against civil liability for actions taken in good faith.

Federal government institutions will have a new broad authority to share relevant information with banks and other financial service providers to ensure that we can all work together to put a stop to the funding of these illegal blockades.

This is about following the money. This is about stopping the financing of these illegal blockades. We are today serving notice: if your truck is being used in these protests, your corporate accounts will be frozen. The insurance on your vehicle will be suspended. Send your semi-trailers home. The Canadian economy needs them to be doing legitimate work, not to be illegally making us all poorer.

We’ve taken these measures after deep thought. I have discussed this with the heads of Canadian banks. I thank them for doing what is necessary to ensure laws are being complied with and that Canadian democracy is being protected as well as our economy.

Team Canada has stood together over the past two years. We have trusted one another. We’ve leaned on one another.

What we are facing today is a threat to our democratic institutions, to our economy, and to peace, order, and good government in Canada. This is unacceptable. It cannot stand and it will not stand.

Go to your ATM machine. Withdraw cash. Continue until your account has just enough to cover your monthly payments for utilities and mortgage. If you stay under $5000 of cash withdrawals per month, you will not raise any FINTRAC flags.

You should have at least 4 months of fiat cash at home to cover things like food and mortgage when your account gets seized. As long as it says "legal tender" you can walk to the US Post Office and buy a Postal Money Order for your mortgage. The rest put into "plata y plomo". If you think you have enough "plata y plomo", then buy a few gold coins.

[Vonz90]

I'm just curious, does anyone know of an actual case where someone successfully weathered a collapse of society using a stash of gold or whatever?

[D5CAV]

I'm just curious, does anyone know of an actual case where someone successfully weathered a collapse of society using a stash of gold or whatever?

Yes. 3 stories.

1. German grandmother of a friend - gold coins and gold ring
2. Friend's Greek grandparents - mostly precious gems, but set in gold and platinum
3. Father's friend's father in Japan - mostly silver coins, which took quite a bit of foresight because Japan started debasing their currency about 1925

Outside of USA, time between 1940 and 1946 qualifies as "collapse of society"