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One pilot called base security at NAS Pensacola and other Navy bases “mall cops,” because protection on the base has been outsourced to private security and many were “fat and out of shape.”
When we went to see Junior Termite's graduation at Paris Island, the security personnel consisted of USMC police carrying sidearms(9mms), and a handful of contractors carrying both M4s and sidearms. I noticed that 2 of the contractor's sidearms were Kimber customs.
The contractors looked like Blackwater/Aegis/etc operators to me.
“I have zero confidence the guy I show my ID card to at the gate could save me,” one pilot added. Fox News spoke to three Navy instructor pilots Tuesday.
It’s an opinion shared by many across the military, including the U.S. Army; more than a dozen soldiers and an unborn child were gunned down at Fort Hood in 2009.
“We trust 18-year-old privates in combat with grenades, anti-tank missiles, rifles and machine guns, but we let service members get slaughtered because we don’t trust anyone to be armed back here in the United States,” a senior U.S. Army officer told Fox News.
Why don't we have a military CCW system for service members at state-side bases? Train and vet service members who volunteer for it.
This ain't rocket surgery or brain science........
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Termite wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:52 am
Why don't we have a military CCW system for service members at state-side bases? Train and vet service members who volunteer for it.
This ain't rocket surgery or brain science........
Because that would make sense, which is by regulation not authorized. I have a civilian CCW. I have never shot anything other than expert on pistol quals. I am a field grade officer with clearance, and a military driver’s license which allows me to drive LMTVs with more than a dozen Soldiers in the back, but me carrying a piece on base is an anathema to leadership. I have plenty of friends at work who are Armor and Aviation officers who at some point had access to tanks and helicopters with 120mm main gun rounds, or hellfire missiles... But no 9mm, because reasons.
Termite wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:52 am
Why don't we have a military CCW system for service members at state-side bases? Train and vet service members who volunteer for it.
This ain't rocket surgery or brain science........
Because that would make sense, which is by regulation not authorized. I have a civilian CCW. I have never shot anything other than expert on pistol quals. I am a field grade officer with clearance, and a military driver’s license which allows me to drive LMTVs with more than a dozen Soldiers in the back, but me carrying a piece on base is an anathema to leadership. I have plenty of friends at work who are Armor and Aviation officers who at some point had access to tanks and helicopters with 120mm main gun rounds, or hellfire missiles... But no 9mm, because reasons.
Because it makes some people’s jobs potentially more difficult. Easier to say no,
We had a base commander back when I was active who tried to ban all personally owned firearms even though there are specific DOD policies saying he could not. A bit of a pissing contest later and he lost, but that is the mindset that a significant minority has.
True, but this implies that those same senior leaders don’t trust their MPs/SPs to execute judgement when they roll up on a scene where a couple of Os/SNCOs have perforated an active shooter...
It’s a minority, but it’s the minority that got promoted by making risk averse decisions.
Dozens of U.S. Navy pilots have written a letter demanding Capitol Hill lawmakers and top military brass allow more pilots to carry arms on bases, and allow those standing watch at flight schools across the country to be armed in the wake of the deadly shooting at Naval Air Station Pensacola by a Saudi officer training there.
The letter, obtained exclusively by Fox News, is a form letter the pilots hope their colleagues will use to write lawmakers to get what they say is much-needed attention — preventing further shootings on U.S. military bases, in part by increasing deterrence.
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If God wanted men to play soccer, he wouldn’t have given us arms. - Mike Ditka
Termite wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:52 am
Why don't we have a military CCW system for service members at state-side bases? Train and vet service members who volunteer for it.
This ain't rocket surgery or brain science........
Because that would make sense, which is by regulation not authorized. I have a civilian CCW. I have never shot anything other than expert on pistol quals. I am a field grade officer with clearance, and a military driver’s license which allows me to drive LMTVs with more than a dozen Soldiers in the back, but me carrying a piece on base is an anathema to leadership. I have plenty of friends at work who are Armor and Aviation officers who at some point had access to tanks and helicopters with 120mm main gun rounds, or hellfire missiles... But no 9mm, because reasons.
Because it makes some people’s jobs potentially more difficult. Easier to say no,
We had a base commander back when I was active who tried to ban all personally owned firearms even though there are specific DOD policies saying he could not. A bit of a pissing contest later and he lost, but that is the mindset that a significant minority has.
Some would prefer they not be armed either.
On my deployment to the NAG in 2003/4; the Commodore we reported to when attempted to order all of his units to not issue arms or ammo to anyone unless we went to alert, including not loading the machine guns on the boats. Keep in mind we were the only seaward force protection for the harbors and there was an actual shooting war going on. (He lost on this point because there was a general order for the theater that his order violated, but the fact he tried showed he was unfit for the job, plenty of other things did too.)
On my deployment to the NAG in 2003/4; the Commodore we reported to when attempted to order all of his units to not issue arms or ammo to anyone unless we went to alert, including not loading the machine guns on the boats. Keep in mind we were the only seaward force protection for the harbors and there was an actual shooting war going on. (He lost on this point because there was a general order for the theater that his order violated, but the fact he tried showed he was unfit for the job, plenty of other things did too.)
Just showed he was qualified to be a bullet stopping device, but barely even that.
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