Active shooter NAS P-cola

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Update on Lagenator's post: It looks it was definitely a group effort. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/six ... ing-attack
The Saudi student who shot and killed three people at a US naval base in Florida hosted a dinner party the night before the attack where he and others watched videos of mass shootings
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One of the three students at the dinner recorded the shooting outside the building at Naval Air Station Pensacola on Friday. According to the report, two other Saudi students watched from a car.
But it begs a number of questions:

1. Why a Glock? These guys were being trained to be pilots. They could do the whole "9-11 thing" on the classroom during a training flight. If they had more than one of them "practicing formation flying", they could do multiple classrooms, or maybe the HQ building and take out a bunch of HEMFs.

2. Why only one guy? Most of us on this board have some military or tactical training. The lethality of a team goes up as a multiple of the number of team members. Even two could have had 4x to 5x the impact of one. There were at least 3 others at the dinner party. Watching videos of mass shootings the night before makes you a de-facto co-conspirator. In for a penny, in for a pound.

And also an observation:

1. It is good for USA that most* of these guys are lacking in imagination. Glocks are reasonable tools for damage at a retail-level, but not very effective for wholesale. Given the access these guys had, I could think of a dozen ways to do much more mahem. If I sat down with three other people on this board for a face-to-face discussion at a noisy bar someplace (better plausible deniability than a dinner party at my house), I'm sure we could double or triple that number.

*got to give credit where credit is due: KSM is one of the few exceptions. His operation was an example of out-of-the-box thinking. His plan was not without flaws, the biggest of which was the number and quality of yahoos he had carrying it out. It was only because USA employs equally incompetent yahoos in FBI, CIA and NSA that they managed to pull it off.
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D5CAV wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:13 pm It is good for USA that most* of these guys are lacking in imagination. Given the access these guys had, I could think of a dozen ways to do much more mahem. If I sat down with three other people on this board for a face-to-face discussion at a noisy bar someplace (better plausible deniability than a dinner party at my house), I'm sure we could double or triple that number.
Be really really glad that they are very much lacking in imagination and technical skills. :geek:

We are currently living in the "golden age" of micro electronics, RC, and GPS. It is not difficult to set up a 2-seat "ultralight" type aircraft to fly itself into a college football stadium on game day, carrying a 200-300 lb HE payload.
I can list the items needed for the autopilot/GPS system and where to purchase them, if you like.
And I'm sure the Aloha-Snackbar crowd can get their hands on plastique and impact detonators.

They just haven't thought about it yet.......... :?
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I am working on a short story / novel and lets just say that the drone with a deadly package will definitely appear. It is fairly easy to make happen if you have any skill set at all. The biggest difficulty is being a long way from the impact site. But even that can be fixed with GPS or similar guidance instead of a two way controller.
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Random update, apparently the training command CO (not base commander, different job) had previously asked for armed security but was turned down because cost/priority and the base security CO did not want anyone armed except his people so that they would "know anyone else with a gun was a bad guy" or words to that effect. AKA I don't mind if you die as long as my job is made easier.

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Precision wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:30 pm I am working on a short story / novel and lets just say that the drone with a deadly package will definitely appear. It is fairly easy to make happen if you have any skill set at all. The biggest difficulty is being a long way from the impact site. But even that can be fixed with GPS or similar guidance instead of a two way controller.
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There is no reason that all Officers and NCOs shouldn't be carrying their side arms. That would be a start.
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It really, really bothers me that county sheriff's deputies got the guy and not MP's or AP's or whatever they should have had there.

I'm glad your son is OK, Vonz.
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It looks like us.gov suddenly had a moment of mental activity and remembered the lesson from almost 20 years ago that a jet airplanes + Saudi nationals just might cause more damage than a 9mm Glock + a Saudi national.

300 Saudi aviation students are grounded: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... ting-spree
Genualdi said the grounding included three different military facilities: Naval Air Station Pensacola, Naval Air Station Whiting Field and Naval Air Station Mayport, all in Florida; adding that while it was unclear when the Saudi students would be allowed to fly again, their classroom training was expected to resume soon.
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Precision wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:30 pm I am working on a short story / novel and lets just say that the drone with a deadly package will definitely appear. It is fairly easy to make happen if you have any skill set at all. The biggest difficulty is being a long way from the impact site. But even that can be fixed with GPS or similar guidance instead of a two way controller.
If Amazon can deliver 2 kg packages up to 15 miles with an electric quadcopter drone, https://www.dezeen.com/2019/06/06/amazo ... rone-news/, what do you think could be done using one of these as the base platform?


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