It does not bother me because it is what I expect. Certainly there are plenty of brave police officers, that is not my point. The point is that nothing requires them to do anything brave. A police officer cannot be court marshaled and executed for cowardice in the face of the enemy at even a theoretical level. They are civilians who can quit any time they feel like it.
If something is not a job requirement, why be shocked when those doing the job do not meet the requirement?
It is just the latest data point to demonstrate that if you want to have your person protected, you better expect to do it yourself.
Deputy On Duty Didn't Engage Shooter
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Re: Deputy On Duty Didn't Engage Shooter
He didn't resign, he turned in his retirement paperwork, THEN resigned.scipioafricanus wrote:This has got me really hot... so bear with me.
First, this garbage Sheriff wants to take away our AR15s, but his deputy failed to do his damn job during the shooting? (besides not doing anything 39 times they showed up this lil angel's home)
Second, since he has been forced to resign, I assume they aren't under the old doctrine of Virginia Tech: cordoning off the area, gather numbers, let people die for 2 hours before anything happens...
He was carrying an AR-15 also.But how is a guy supposed to confront someone with an AR15...? If you want to put on a uniform, badge, and gun while thinking you are the equivalent of the military... I was taught to march toward the sound of the guns; MOVE!
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It does bother me, because I cannot fathom any human, especially any man, not reacting when children are in danger, especially when you have the equipment and training to do something about it.
I know intellectually there are a lot of people that won't react that way, but I just don't "get it".
The coach that died protecting students "got it". This despicable individual, doesn't, at least not fully.
I guess it depends on whether he is ashamed of himself for failing in his duty as a human and as a citizen (in the Heinlein sense), and that's why he quit, or if he just understands the optics and political implications of the situation and decided to duck out of facing the consequences (again).
The knowledge that not all people will rise to the test does nothing to mitigate the disgust I feel towards people that don't even try.
But hey, he got to go home at the end of his shift! that's all that counts, right?
(the last is not aimed at you Vonz, just general frustration and disgust with that attitude from people over the years that affect military swagger but, as you are pointed out, are just another bunch of civilians)
I know intellectually there are a lot of people that won't react that way, but I just don't "get it".
The coach that died protecting students "got it". This despicable individual, doesn't, at least not fully.
I guess it depends on whether he is ashamed of himself for failing in his duty as a human and as a citizen (in the Heinlein sense), and that's why he quit, or if he just understands the optics and political implications of the situation and decided to duck out of facing the consequences (again).
The knowledge that not all people will rise to the test does nothing to mitigate the disgust I feel towards people that don't even try.
But hey, he got to go home at the end of his shift! that's all that counts, right?
(the last is not aimed at you Vonz, just general frustration and disgust with that attitude from people over the years that affect military swagger but, as you are pointed out, are just another bunch of civilians)
...even before I read MHI, my response to seeing a poster for the stars of the latest Twilight movies was "I see 2 targets and a collaborator".
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Re: Deputy On Duty Didn't Engage Shooter
I have heard cops say exactly that, I believe it is very much part of their culture in some areas or subsets.randy wrote:
But hey, he got to go home at the end of his shift! that's all that counts, right?
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Re: Deputy On Duty Didn't Engage Shooter
I read elsewhere that the officer in question now has a protective detail assigned to watch his house. Hopefully if he decides to do the honorable thing, they won't try to interfere.
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Re: Deputy On Duty Didn't Engage Shooter
Great so Ossifer Coward will get his pension.Rod wrote:He didn't resign, he turned in his retirement paperwork, THEN resigned.scipioafricanus wrote:This has got me really hot... so bear with me.
First, this garbage Sheriff wants to take away our AR15s, but his deputy failed to do his damn job during the shooting? (besides not doing anything 39 times they showed up this lil angel's home)
Second, since he has been forced to resign, I assume they aren't under the old doctrine of Virginia Tech: cordoning off the area, gather numbers, let people die for 2 hours before anything happens...
He was carrying an AR-15 also.But how is a guy supposed to confront someone with an AR15...? If you want to put on a uniform, badge, and gun while thinking you are the equivalent of the military... I was taught to march toward the sound of the guns; MOVE!
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Re: Deputy On Duty Didn't Engage Shooter
Latest on drudge was a total of three that waited outside instead of going in.
We need to remove the titles of nobility we bestow on these people.
We need to remove the titles of nobility we bestow on these people.
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Re: Deputy On Duty Didn't Engage Shooter
Looks like 4 hid and shit their pants.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-sher ... -shooting/
https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-sher ... -shooting/
There must be an end to this intimidation by those who come to this great country, but reject its culture.
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Re: Deputy On Duty Didn't Engage Shooter
Link?slowpoke wrote:Latest on drudge was a total of three that waited outside instead of going in.
We need to remove the titles of nobility we bestow on these people.
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- Netpackrat
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Re: Deputy On Duty Didn't Engage Shooter
Never mind, here:Netpackrat wrote:Link?slowpoke wrote:Latest on drudge was a total of three that waited outside instead of going in.
We need to remove the titles of nobility we bestow on these people.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics ... olitics=Tw
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati
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"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop