My new daily driver lol

[D5CAV]

Probably less than what Uncle Sam pays.

IIRC, 105mm practice rounds (blue projos) were about $2000 each, HEAT were about $4000 each and APDS were about $5000 each. These were prices that I recall from my days signing the requisition forms back in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I'm sure inflation has impacted these prices as well (besides the new rounds being 120mm).

I'm sure you could cast or turn a brass 120mm projo for a few hundred $$s. Probably better off shooting with pyrodex than trying to take a chance with propellant. Maybe another $ hundred for a few pounds of pyrodex.

Never fired the duplex round on the Chieftain. I assume the rounds were still electrically primed. Forget finding electrical primers. Time to "molest" that breech and replace the electric primer with a fuse hole and use some cannon fuse. Light that pyrodex and launch your projo to a hillside on your 5000 acre ranch.

As an aside, the Brits took a step back IMHO. The rifle we had in the M1 and M60 was the exact same 105mm rifle that the Brits had in the later marks of the Cens. They were stamped "Sheffield" in my M1, and were covered with British proof marks. The 105mm in the Cens were exactly the same, they just rotated the breech 90 degrees, and the gun had a big "ER II" crown cipher instead of "U.S. Government Property".

[HTRN]

uhm, the Chieftains were equipped with 120s from Day 1.

And Yeah, the multifuel engine was a piece of crap. Frankly a repower with a MTU "Europack" would do a world of good, as would an APU like you mentioned.

I would like to point out, that until the introduction of Leopard and more importantly the Abrams, it was the most heavily armed and armored tank in the world - it was for instance, the first tank with "composite" ie Chobham armor(albiet it was only the latest marks)

I still say that it would make an ideal armor platform for a second world, or even smaller first world nation, with appropriate upgrades, especially the engine, and firecontrol(does it do fire on the move?) add in one of the better reactive armor packages, and you got something that will give anybody short of the US army pause(and lets face it, if you're facing the green machine, you're fucked no matter what armor you have - fighting the worlds most powerful military is goning to be a losing proposition.)

[McClarkus]

Well those rounds are a bit pricey for me. Unless they did something pretty spectacular on impact, my old eyes would never even see where they went. Similar to why I don't play golf - can't find 'em after I hit 'em......

[Wrenchbender1]

DAMMIT! My hopes for the next Gun Counter meet are dashed.

[toad]

I need something with wheels on it. The local roads are too fragile around the apt. complex. I like the idea of canister rounds with tungsten carbide balls. (insert joke about balls here).

[D5CAV]

I need something with wheels on it. The local roads are too fragile around the apt. complex.

Tracks typically have less PSI loading than wheels. Do the math.

My truck is about 8000 pounds (before I put 2000 pounds in the bed). It has 4 wheels each with less than 1 square foot of contact with the ground, call it 3 square feet. That's about 2700 Pounds per square foot, or about 19 PSI.

My M1 was about 70 tons, but each track was about 20" wide and about 20 feet long, so about 70 square feet of contact area. So about 2000 Pounds per square foot, or about 14 PSI.

That's why tanks have tracks. Something that heavy would sink into the ground if it had wheels.

[Greg]

I need something with wheels on it. The local roads are too fragile around the apt. complex.

Tracks typically have less PSI loading than wheels. Do the math.

My truck is about 8000 pounds (before I put 2000 pounds in the bed). It has 4 wheels each with less than 1 square foot of contact with the ground, call it 3 square feet. That's about 2700 Pounds per square foot, or about 19 PSI.

My M1 was about 70 tons, but each track was about 20" wide and about 20 feet long, so about 70 square feet of contact area. So about 2000 Pounds per square foot, or about 14 PSI.

That's why tanks have tracks. Something that heavy would sink into the ground if it had wheels.

Pressure from tracks isn't uniform. The rubber feet help, but steel track is murder on roads.

[Jered]

I shot their machine guns and got a free shirt.

[Steamforger]

Nevermind. It was old.

[HTRN]

Pressure from tracks isn't uniform. The rubber feet help, but steel track is murder on roads.

That's due to two things - one is point loading from the cleats, like you pointed out, the other is the way they steer, like a bobcat. Skid steer usually means the tire wears, but with steel tracks, it's the pavement that gets chewed up.