Women in Ranger School

[skb12172]

Possibility? I call it a certainty.

[Weetabix]

If they want to do that, then make all of the standards the same. If you are going to do the man's job, then you have to meet the man's standards. Same height/weight and PT standards.

How would you overcome his concerns with love, lust, sex, romance, favoritism, and de facto prostitution?" See his essay, here.

[Vonz90]

If they want to do that, then make all of the standards the same. If you are going to do the man's job, then you have to meet the man's standards. Same height/weight and PT standards.

How would you overcome his concerns with love, lust, sex, romance, favoritism, and de facto prostitution?" See his essay, here.

You would not, but at least the few who made it in would actually be physically capable of doing the job which would be a huge step up from now.

Also, since the absolute numbers would be lower, the damage they do would be less.

It is still a bad idea, that would just be a less-bad version of it.

[Jericho941]

If they want to do that, then make all of the standards the same. If you are going to do the man's job, then you have to meet the man's standards. Same height/weight and PT standards.

How would you overcome his concerns with love, lust, sex, romance, favoritism, and de facto prostitution?"

Which rather assumes that this isn't already an issue with men. And no, it's not a DADT thing. Cliques and favoritism never go out of style.

Then there's the whole "perception is everything" nonsense the military loves. With a couple of the right NCOs PCSing, separating or retiring, today's golden boy becomes tomorrow's dirtbag as the new guys have to assert themselves by reinventing the wheel and pissing all over everything. Performers are sidelined in favor of "ya boy." From what I've heard, the Army isn't terribly different: "Put that kid in for sniper school" became "take away his team and stuff him in the armory never to be seen again. THAT oughtta teach him to drag his feet on reenlisting (which won't be for another year, and now, probably never)!"

I know that people are going to treat this and anything else with women in the military as a sign of the end times, but the dysfunctional implementation that's been happening, and will continue to happen, is not the problem so much as a symptom. A "healthier" military could do it right, but that won't happen because our military isn't healthy.

[BDK]

I will not comment on the rightness or wrongness of it, as I never served and do not feel qualified to make such judgments. However, if throwing ability or running speed are crucial, especially running while bearing weight, it would take exceptional/near high-level athlete levels of performance for a woman to keep up with moderately trained men.

[Greg]

I will not comment on the rightness or wrongness of it, as I never served and do not feel qualified to make such judgments. However, if throwing ability or running speed are crucial, especially running while bearing weight, it would take exceptional/near high-level athlete levels of performance for a woman to keep up with moderately trained men.

Yes, there are 2 different things to consider when you talk about 'physical standards' and Ranger school, etc.

One is in terms of absolute ability, and testing it. And women just won't be able to compare there, everyone knows they will come up short and if you still want women in the infantry you're going to have to make adjustments (larger teams, lighter equipment, etc).

The other is that the physical tests are there to test and build character. And a course designed to test women's character to the corresponding degree that the current Ranger school tests men's, will have to be modified. The same course won't work for both to the same degree because the physical limits are different.

Read Amazon Legion and Kratman's Ranger school articles. I'm terribly oversimplifying. I think he has a handle on some of this stuff.

[toad]

Uhm after watching a couple of videos on artillery esp. a 155 towed, I have my doubts that women could do that job without breaking down. If you can't hump a round of artillery, break a suspension loose on a tank, or hump a baseplate, you need to stay away from combat. Just my casual opinion.

[Greg]

I know that people are going to treat this and anything else with women in the military as a sign of the end times, but the dysfunctional implementation that's been happening, and will continue to happen, is not the problem so much as a symptom. A "healthier" military could do it right, but that won't happen because our military isn't healthy.

Naturally. Because the people in charge are politicians in uniform, with terminal cases of moral cowardice. In that it reflects our society as a whole.

[First Shirt]

Someone said, "You get the government you deserve." That same could be said of the military, you get what you deserve.

As an intel geek, the physical demands are not the same (by a long shot) as Ranger quals. But, by the same token, I don't want a Chinese linguist who passed the course just because she's female. If she's gonna do the job, then she needs to meet the same standards as the 18 YO nerd who passed the MAFAC course with a 98% avg. Not that she has to be as good, just that she has to meet the same standards. If she can't pass the same quals as Charlie Foureyes, then she is not an asset, I don't care that she has a degree in Womyn's Studies.

I used to tell my troops, "I don't care who you are, I don't care who you know. If you can do the job, great! If you can't, I don't need you. I can teach monkeys to push buttons, I need people who can think."

That may explain why I'm a retired First Shirt.

[randy]

Another data point (No info on the credibility of the site)

Two female Marine officers who volunteered to attempt the Corps’ challenging Infantry Officer Course did not proceed beyond the first day of the course, a Marine Corps spokesperson confirms to the Free Beacon. The two were the only female officers attempting the course in the current cycle, which began Thursday in Quantico, Virginia.

With the two most recent drops, there have been 29 attempts by female officers to pass the course since women have been allowed to volunteer, with none making it to graduation.