COP NOW CARRIES 145 ROUNDS ON DUTY

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D5CAV wrote:His first smart move was switching to all 9mm Luger from a combination of 9mm and .45 ACP.

Prior load:
37rds of .45ACP is about 1.7 lbs
10rds of 9mm luger is about is about 0.27 lbs
Total ammo load: about 2.0 lbs
Before the call that changed Sergeant Timothy Gramins’ life forever, he typically carried 47 rounds of handgun ammunition on his person while on duty.
Using your ammo weights, and the actual amount of .45 ammo he was carrying, he added about 1.76 pounds worth of ammo. Maybe not a lot, seemingly, but carrying it all day long, every work day, would get old.

There's little advantage to having his primary and backup guns the same caliber, unless they also use the same magazines. In which case, that's kind of a big backup gun, even if it's something like a Glock 26.
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Netpackrat wrote: Using your ammo weights, and the actual amount of .45 ammo he was carrying, he added about 1.76 pounds worth of ammo. Maybe not a lot, seemingly, but carrying it all day long, every work day, would get old.
True. I do wonder how long until he gets tired of carrying it all.
There's little advantage to having his primary and backup guns the same caliber, unless they also use the same magazines. In which case, that's kind of a big backup gun, even if it's something like a Glock 26.
Well aside from the obvious one of 9mm being, round for round, definitely lighter than .45
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skb12172 wrote:Um…what is a jetfuel genius? Google-fu didn't really tell me much. :?:
That's someone who has sniffed so much jetfuel that he thinks he has all the answers.

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Aesop wrote:
skb12172 wrote:Um…what is a jetfuel genius? Google-fu didn't really tell me much. :?:
...I'm a jetfuel genius, I can solve the world's problems, without even trying...

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Did anybody outside of SoCal actually like Styx? :lol:

(I may be biased. The only Styx fan I've ever met was my retarded cousin, who once spent a summer living with us after having lived in SoCal for several years. How I was introduced to Styx, and Vans, and several other cultural delights. Thanks to him we wound up watching Megaforce on cable dozens of times that summer, from which I have never entirely recovered. Yes, he was pretty retarded. He was the kind of paste eater who drew moustaches, buck teeth and penises on anything he could find, up to and including any of my brother's comic books that weren't hidden. I may still have his copy of 'Kilroy Was Here' somewhere.)
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147 rounds does not sound excessive to me. My final deployment I was carrying 210 rounds of 5.56 and 60 rounds of 9mm every day.
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:jacked:
Greg wrote:Did anybody outside of SoCal actually like Styx? :lol:
I'm gonna go with yes, given that they were actually from Chicago, and sold about 15M albums, and probably had at least as many top 40 hits.
Unless you're figuring that everybody living here from age 3-90 bought everything they released.
I seem to recall a band from some city in MA doing about as well around the same time too. :P

But getting back on topic, I'm not sure how many rounds they carried.
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All the other comments notwithstanding, I think he needs to do some probability analysis.
- What, really, are the odds of that EVER happening again to him?
- He navigated it successfully with what he had on him.
- He seems to have learned some lessons (practicing head shots).

Those will all increase his personal odds of success next time.

If he's in one of the areas Chris mentioned, so that it's likely he'll run into that again, then maybe the added rounds make sense.

But other than that, I think the security blanket comment was probably right.
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PawPaw wrote:That's someone who has sniffed so much jetfuel that he thinks he has all the answers.
Well that explains my problem.
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1. Styx was very popular in the Midwest in the late 70's, especially anyplace in range of WLS AM.

2. I've gone on record as saying that the only time you can have too much ammo is if you are swimming or on fire.

3 Knew a Sheriff's office detective in the Texas in the 80's that carried 500 rounds in a brief case in his car at all times in addition to his spare mags. He had gone to interview a witness in a rural part of the county once and turns out the suspect was there. He was down to his last round in the chamber by the time back up arrived, mostly in putting down suppressing fire to keep the suspect from flanking him from one of the 2 side doors on the house. It was more of a few shots at a time every few minutes than a Mad Minute, but he was not going to be in that position ammo wise again if he could help it.
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I knew a deputy w a similar opinion - he chewed me out for not being armed, waiting for him to show up, and told me I should have a "sniper rifle, assault rifle, pistol and back up pistol" on me at all times...

(The largest cocaine trafficking corridor ran through the county and there were industrial level meth labs - or, at least, ones which kept stealing tankers of fertilizer.)

He was coming from bailing out a rancher who had been behind a rock, trading pot shots with a meth lab for "awhile"... Took him 4.5 hours to get to us, so that could have been a very long while, although... Well, I didn't think about it then, but just gun fire like that probably wouldn't have brought his neighbors...
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