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[Jericho941]

Everyone seems to be hung up on the idea that somehow it's racist/bigoted.

Exactly how? Because in the South, there are a lot of blacks that are on welfare?
I would hazard a guess that in the Southwest, more Hispanics are. And on reservations and in Alaska, more Native Americans and Inuits. In Appalachia, it is mostly "whites" in this catagory, but that doesn't seem to get the publicity/traction than other ethnic groups do.
That's not "racist", that's reality.

Our own country already has a history of practicing eugenics in the form of forced (and surreptitious) sterilizations of undesirables. It was not well-received when it came to light. There's really no way to spin it, however well-intentioned, that would avoid being disastrous. "Informed consent" is a difficult enough concept as it is; it'd come across as preying on people without the education or ability to choose otherwise, or "oppressing the poor." You're also giving the government the power to decide who can and cannot breed.

It just doesn't matter how pure your intentions are.

BTW, I am not saying force people into this at gunpoint. I'm saying use economic "carrots" to encourage it, along with a possible stick. I am on record as coupling it with education & job training incentives.

But I do understand that some people can never ever see the reality.

I'm simply pointing out that it is far too reminiscent of our own shady history with similar practices, in addition to the precedent a successful attempt at a more palatable version sets. The former is political suicide, the latter is national suicide.

Making that statement tells me a lot about your knowledge of how the medical schools work, and medical internships.

Funnily, I was thinking the same thing about your comments WRT the nature of tubal ligation.

[Precision]

by simple population numbers, more whites will be affected by any program. There are more whites.
The usual screaming race hustlers will not allow that to be heard. They will scream about percentages.

A story.

A former GF (die scummy bitch) had a loser sister who had popped out 2 kids from 2 dads who were never in the picture. She was incentivised by the STATE government to get a free Norplant. My memory is hazy, but I seem to recall her choices were get the Norplant and have quarterly check ups and keep the full rate of government cheese. Refuse or remove the Norplant and have a significant percent of her government cheese removed. Also, any additional parasites created would have zero increase in her cheese allotment.

IIRC she stayed on the Norplant for 2 years, then found a sucker to marry her. She conned him into that. He found out she took out the Norplant and was trying to get pregnant by him. That with some other issues (cheating) ended the marriage. When she filled out the paperwork for free cheese, the Norplant question came up.

For the record, white and trash.

[MarkD]

In the interests of keeping costs down, the surgical interns could perform them, as they aren't terribly complicated.

Until the first welfare recipient dies of complications. "Oh Lord! They're using poor black women to PRACTICE on before they become "real" surgeons so they can make lots of money working on rich white women!"

Your preconceptions rooted in racism are showing.

Nope.

We were discussing mandatory birth control for welfare recipients. I don't know about nationally, but in the area I live most welfare recipients are black. Ditto people who live in public housing. Given the number of race hustlers out there (Sharpton is only one of the better known ones), what I said is EXACTLY what they'd say when the first welfare queen died of complications of their tubal ligation. The actual race of the patient is irrelevant.

Again, I can only speak for the program as it exists in NYC. I hadn't heard that it had changed, and last time I checked a single mother on welfare got more money if she had more kids, even if she had more kids after starting on welfare. More children then become a source of income, unlike the rest of us for whom children are an expense. If someone were to suggest mandatory birth control (of any variety) for welfare recipients the outcry would be that you're trying to keep those poor single mothers down by limiting their income. We'll ignore the fact that those children get dumped at age five into a school system that's little more than a warehouse for kids, then at 18 (at best) they're discharged from that school system with no discernible skills except for impregnating the next generation of welfare recipients.

ETA:

We could go a long way toward reducing out-of-wedlock births (statistically, one of the highest indicators for future criminal activity) by refusing to increase welfare payments to mothers for children born after entering the system. It would never fly though.

[Aesop]

When the question has delved to discussion of whether to let the alligator eat everyone all at once, or in moderately small bites over generations, it's illustrative of how out of whack current priorities are.
But at that point, offering to have the alligators sterilized is properly seen as utterly surreal.

The only correct answer is to stop subsidizing bastardry whatsoever.
Such funding is going to stop regardless; the only question is whether it will be because we end it voluntarily, or fiscal realities do.
Option B brings with it a host of sequelae, none of which are recommended.

The proper answer to the question "How will they feed their bastards?" is to point to the last two words.
F*** them, harshly, and BTW, get your hands out of my pockets.

[MarkD]

When the question has delved to discussion of whether to let the alligator eat everyone all at once, or in moderately small bites over generations, it's illustrative of how out of whack current priorities are.
But at that point, offering to have the alligators sterilized is properly seen as utterly surreal.

The only correct answer is to stop subsidizing bastardry whatsoever.
Such funding is going to stop regardless; the only question is whether it will be because we end it voluntarily, or fiscal realities do.
Option B brings with it a host of sequelae, none of which are recommended.

The proper answer to the question "How will they feed their bastards?" is to point to the last two words.
F*** them, harshly, and BTW, get your hands out of my pockets.

Considering that the recipients of these programs vote, and in many cases there are people with vans to TAKE them to vote (we won't even get into the number of times they vote), your option B is the more realistic one. Especially since (a) people think it's the government's money and don't consider where the government GOT it from (b) people think "the rich" don't pay enough taxes, so taking some more of what they make is just fine and (c) people think if all else fails the government can just PRINT more money to give to them, yeah, the fiscal realities are going to bite everyone in the butt sooner or later.

[PawPaw]

I'd much rather a few than a whole bunch of it spent feeding and housing her bastard until age 16-18; when often the county sheriff gets to take over housing & feeding the bastard.

I edit the quote for brevity.

:jacked:

Point being, that the sheriff housing and feeding the bastard is also your tax money. LA DOC spent $650,431,312 last FY to house 39,299 adult offenders in state prisons and local jails awaiting transfer. That comes to $16,550 per year per offender, if my math is correct. Or, $45.34/inmate/day if you'd prefer. It looks like DOC is holding costs down, at least in Louisiana. When I retired in 2000, the cost per inmate was $43.00 per day.

But, back to birth control. I know of no one who has trouble getting it, it's almost universally available. The best thing that the Congress could do is to make it over-the-counter, like aspirin. Or, make it a food-stuff and eligible for the EBT card. This whole argument is a strawman.

[Termite]

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about your comments WRT the nature of tubal ligation.

Let's see: my wife had it done, my mother, and both of my sisters. One BIL is an MD, one sister is a PT.

[Termite]

We were discussing [strike]mandatory[/strike] (highly incentivised)birth control for welfare recipients. I don't know about nationally, but in the area I live most welfare recipients are black. Ditto people who live in public housing.\
FIFY

While this is generally true in large urban areas outside of the southwestern border states (California, Arizona, New mexico, and Texas, where the majority of urban recipients of state aid are hispanic); overall, even in heavily urbanized states, the very large majority (in most states without a "top 20" city it's generally somewhere between 60% and 80%) of those receiving AFDC, subsidized housing, food stamps, and medicaid (the most significant "welfare" programs); are white non-hispanic, and live in rural or semi-rural, suburban, or small metropolitan semi-urban areas.........<snip>

Thank you Chris.

[Greg]

Of course, when they are not actually directly creating it (and often, they are), our government encourages, supports, and reinforces this equilibrium trap. It gives just enough "aid" to make things tolerable, but not enough to really make it better; not enough resources or options or freedom to let someone help themselves effectively; and they take EVERYTHING AWAY if you try to make it better for yourself.

It would be a case of perverse incentive, if it weren't for the fact that the system is clearly functioning as it is designed to function. It's purpose is not to lift people up, or help them lift themselves... but to keep them under control.

Funny. Interesting to see the details spelled out.

Oh, and the gov't does more than encourage those traps. It CREATES them, any time it artificially restricts economic activity and cripples and ruins local industries and the local economies they support. Logging restrictions in the northwest or parts of the east where they have hardwood forests and not much else. Mining restrictions. Wetlands. Regulation. Etc, etc.

I worked with a guy from CT who grew up in a place like that- white guy, mixed ancestry, supposedly at least part French. He got out, because he had a dream he was chasing. (It was a retarded dream, but you have to honor that he got out.) But he had no idea how to live- generations of being infantalized tend to strip away all the life skills that you normally learn from your elders.

Mind you, it's not 'peace and quiet' or 'order' control. It's 'vote where your bread is buttered, or at least your handout is received' control. And it's all done with money taken from third parties at (implied, usually) gunpoint.

The system is unspeakably evil.

[Lokidude]

And Chris perfectly describes my ex-wife's hometown...