Does Anyone Else Think That Women In The Workplace

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Does Anyone Else Think That Women In The Workplace

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are really starting to overuse/abuse the terms "creepy" "it makes me feel uncomfortable" or other such bullshit? I've observed it in my company for quite some time, but now it seems to be going global. Check out this article and look for the buzzwords when things job hunters do make them feel "creepy, stalked," or my favorite, "Unhinged and a little scary." What fucking planet do these people live on? Do they have so little real work to do that they can resort to the type of behavior usually reserved for the more melodramatic junior high girls?

It also makes some of these recruiters look like prima donnas. I certainly hope the companies are the ones paying them, since I wouldn't waste a wooden nickel on a recruiter with this kind of petty attitude.


Six Ways to Make a Recruiter Hate You
By Larry Buhl, Monster Contributing Writer
If you want a job, you wouldn’t intentionally try to make recruiters hate you. But you’d be surprised at how often an eager job seeker will make an enemy out of the very people they need to impress. Some blunders are merely irritating, while others can make recruiters do a slow burn when they hear your name.

OK, hate is too strong a word in most cases. But if you want to totally blow your chances with recruiters -- and, by extension, with the companies they work for -- here are six perfect ways to do so.

1. Get Creepily Personal

Recruiting consultant Abby Kohut recalls a phone interview (that had gone pretty well up to that point) in which the job seeker ended the call by asking her to marry him. “When I told him that was an inappropriate thing to say to a hiring manager for the company, he said, ‘Oh, I thought you were a just a headhunter.’ As if that would have made it all right.”

2. Use Cutesy Language, Texting Slang and Dumb Resume Tricks

The gimmicky resume is a pet peeve of Barbara Safani, president of Career Solvers, a career-management firm based in New York City. “Please do not send a resume inside a shoe, saying you’re looking for ‘a foot in the door,’” she says. Beyond annoying the recruiter (FYI -- that glitter you put in your envelope will get you noticed, but will take time to clean up), these tactics make recruiters think you don’t take them -- or your job search -- seriously.

3. Be Rude and Aggressive

Job hunters who use heavy-handed tactics with recruiters, like sending an angry email in all caps after being passed over for a job, won’t impress the recruiter either, says John O’Connor, president and CEO of Career Pro, a career-coaching company in Raleigh, North Carolina.

“Some candidates see the recruiter as an antagonist who must be pushed and prodded and bullied to work on their behalf,” O’Connor tells Monster.com. “In other cases, they’re frustrated by the job search process and feel the need to take it out on the recruiter.”

4. Lie

Making up something impressive might get you in the door. But if you’ve grossly inflated your abilities and work history and the employer finds out, you will have burned two bridges, not just one.

“Lying on the resume drives recruiters mad,” O’Connor says. “I know people think desperate times call for desperate measures, but the best recruiters are going to do their due diligence and if you’ve misrepresented the dates, times, duties and technical responsibilities, that recruiter will never trust you, and probably won’t call you.”

5. Stalk the Recruiter

A suggestion to “stay in touch” doesn’t mean daily or twice-daily follow-ups. “If it’s been a few weeks and you haven’t heard, it doesn’t mean you’ve been forgotten,” Safani says.

Kohut agrees, adding that a recruiter who thinks you’re a good fit for a position will let you know right away. “Calling them constantly and demanding to be submitted to a company will just make them think you’re desperate and unhinged and a little scary,” she says.

6. Act Like You Don’t Care

Sending stock cover letters addressed to “sir” or “madam,” forgetting to change the name of the last recruiter you queried on your cover letter, saying you’ll take any old job and not proofing your correspondence might not make a recruiter hate you. But such sloppiness won’t impress them, either. And they might just take affront at your dismissive attitude.

Always Be Professional

Employment professionals say that, while one screwup won’t engender hatred, it might cause the recruiter to relegate you to the NDC list -- the list of nondesirable candidates they will not correspond with.

Some of the worst behaviors -- pushiness, stalking, haughtiness -- come from job hunters who don’t really understand how a recruiter works, O’Connor says. “If candidates would understand that the recruiter’s real clients are the companies with the job openings, not the job seekers, they would approach recruiters with more professionalism.”

Even if the recruiter isn’t acting in the most professional or diligent manner, you still need to be professional, he adds.
In another article, which I can't find right now, one HR person said that people just showing up at a company and dropping off a resume used to be seen as go-getters and proactive, but now it is seen as "creepy." Give me a fucking break…

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Online advice written by chicks, to chicks, is going to sound like a nightmare marathon of buzzword bingo at a baby shower.
That's why the closest thing to a male version of The View on TV is Deadliest Catch.

I've only dealt with two recruiters in my entire life; both lied to me, but I got to blow shit up, so I didn't care.

But Inspector Calahan was right about one thing: "Personnel is for @$$holes."
I could give a shit about their pwecious feeeeewings.
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How that makes "Bob" or "Lupe" feel means dick to me.

If they want to feel happy at work, they should get a job testing anti-depressants, or teaching finger-painting at a kindergarten.

If I want to feel happy at work, I show up on payday and collect my check.
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"Women in the Workplace"?! I know what those words mean individually, but together, they make no sense. :mrgreen:
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The article with six things too piss off a recruiter, yeah, all those things I agree with. As for dropping of apps in person being creepy,.if that creeps an hr person or recruiter off, well, I think they are in the wrong line of work. Googling the recruiter and having your resume dropped off at their house, thats odd and borderline stalky. Having it sent by strip-o-gram, thats creepy.
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I've met and worked with some great women in the last 9 years. I've also met the most toxic women I've ever encountered working for my agency. Some of the shit they pull is flat out unbelieveable.
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Steamforger wrote:I've met and worked with some great women in the last 9 years. I've also met the most toxic women I've ever encountered working for my agency. Some of the shit they pull is flat out unbelieveable.
One female manager at work was a pleasure to be with and to work for. She happened to be black, not that it means anything. She was kind and genuinely cared about her employees. She got fed up and left when the following person came into the picture...

On the other hand, that department was taken over by a prototypical Angry Lesbian. She made life hell for everyone, including yours truly. She has left a wake of destruction along her path for many years, but upper management looks the other way, because she gives them the numbers they want. She has fired/run off so many people it's disgusting. She and I tangled last year, I loathe her. :evil:
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"man up, nancy"


Or are we playing the "Quit oppressing me by not letting me victimize you" card?
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For the record, women earn 75% of men because they increase everyone's non-work workload by 25%.
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Back to the OP...

That excessively thin-skinned thing is a play for power and control. Testing the waters gradually to see just how much they can complain, and push, and then control.

TPTB have created a circumstances that enable a certain type of game, and the thin-skinned and perpetually aggrieved play it.
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Well, let me bring this home with a story about my old fraternity buddy, Matt. Matt was called in for a meeting consisting of him, the head of HR (25 year old woman) and his immediate supervisor (woman around his own age of 40). It seems there had been a complaint. A woman in his office, employing around 250 people, half of whom are female, filed FORMAL paperwork against him because…

She felt he was occasionally looking at her funny and it made her "uncomfortable."

She couldn't list any specific time or places, just that "sometimes his glance would linger on her just the barest millisecond longer than anyone else." There was no complaint of comments, gestures, inappropriate touching, just that his glance would occasionally linger on her a bit longer and it made her "uncomfortable."

He was given a copy of the company sexual harassment policy and warned to try and avoid such behavior in the future. There was no formal writeup or record placed in his file, but the female supervisor and HR head said they were required to meet with him, due to a complaint being filed. After this, Matt was understandably afraid to look at or converse with anyone at work. He would avoid eye contact, speak only when spoken too, and he even took a personal day to avoid going to a company cookout in the parking lot during one work day.

Finally, he confided to me and I told him this was intolerable, that HE was under harassment from this, and he needed to seek legal council. He did.

His law firm gave him a young, but very good, female attorney who laughed out loud at this response from his company. She told him to seek a meeting with the two levels of management OVER his boss (both male), to tell them the story, then to tell them that his FEMALE lawyer said that this response had created a hostile work environment for my buddy (especially since his "correction" meeting was all female), that it sounded like the female employee had issues of her own that had nothing to do with Matt, and asked them to come up with a formal plan of action to either move forward or completely and officially exonerate my friend, then forward it to her for her approval.

The end result was the company officially admitted that the whole incident was mishandled, Matt was given a document clearing him and apologizing for the creation of a hostile work environment, the little HR twitchet was "retrained and counseled" over her "misunderstanding of company policy," and Matt was untouchable in that place right up until the time that they went out of business. His boss was left out of it since she was an unwilling participant, merely being required to be there by HR, since she was his supervisor.

The game can be played two ways, successfully. Unfortunately, it still has to be played and the women are pretty much the ones who created the whole fucking thing, in the first place.
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