Muslim prayer rooms should be opened in Catholic schools

[Precision]

I am all for religious tolerance. And as far as I see it, we do pretty well here. When I lived in NYC there were Mosques, Synagogues, Catholic and Protestant churches, as well as Pagan temples and not a one was bombed or anything major the ENTIRE time I lived there.

I remember two separate occasion where a Synagogue was vandilized by a bunch of A-holes and people of diverse faith backgrounds helped to repair the damage. Same thing when some A-holes vandalized a Mosque.

Now when you start talking about having (forcing) one religion to bend over and take it so another religious group doesn't FEEL BAD when they are on the property of the first religion. I call complete BS. If I go to a Synagogue, I should honor their rules or at least NOT try to screw with them. I have the choice not to go there if I want to eat a ham sandwich. Same thing with these Muslims. They are VOLUNTARILY going to a Catholic School. Do like everyone else who isn't Catholic that goes there. Deal with the nuns and keep your head down or GO ELSEWHERE.

I just wonder who is the bigger group of A-holes, the Muslims for making ridiculous demands or the Catholics for even considering them.

[The Quiet Man]

I just don't think the American Roman Catholic Church is gonna roll over for Muslims.

Well, not today anyway. My point is that who would have thought that (the once) Great Britain would be so eager to capitulate to the demands of foriegn invaders whose religious tenents are incompatible with their own. And it isn't just the catholic schools...it is systemic throughout (the once) Great Britain and western Europe. Governments throughout Europe grab their ankles everytime the muslims in their midsts make a demand. Apparently Europeans have forgotten how to say "fuck off" when new demands are made of them by immigrants. It obviously doesn't occur to them that the immigrants already have muslim paradises available to them and they don't have to change their countries to accomodate foriegners.

And while I agree that the American Catholic church might not consider such nonsense today, who is to say where they will go tomorrow? Already today we have foot baths at airports for traveling muslims and muslim cab drivers...paid for at tax payer expense. Public schools for muslim students. And the encroachments by Islamics who have decided to make our home thiers continues every day. If pointing this out makes me a bigot then so be it. I've been called worse by people that I actually care about. But let me make clear that I don't much care about their religion or anything else about them. Like an other immigrant that comes here I expect them to assimilate to OUR way of life and OUR standards of behavior. If they are so enamored with their culture then they should remain in the places where that is the norm rather than coming to my home and trying to change here into there. If that makes me a bigot then I am perfectly content to wear that label. And lastly, when I say that they are the enemy of the western world I damn well mean it. The idea that the vast majority of these guys are benign and peaceful and only a miniscule percentage are troublemakers is pure unadulterated crap. True that the jihadis are a small minority, but that doesn't diminish the fact that the rest of the peace loving muslims are constantly pushing to make their new home like their old home...the jihadis are the just the brick throwers to advance that agenda...with the full knowledge that if the west will give in to the newest demand from the "muslim street" then the suicide bombers will leave them alone. The peace lovers don't want to suffer the wrath for something that they didn't personally do, but they are perfectly happy to reap the benefits that come from the intimidation that their ugly counterparts engage in. Nope, when the jihadis pull one of their stunts the peace loving islamics don't say boo shit. And so while they may not necessarily actively support the jihadis they certainly lend them their tacit support by remaining silent. By not being outraged and ACTUALLY DOING something about it they are part of the problem.

Bigot? Probably so...whatever.

[mekender]

last number i heard was that over 30% of muslims surveyed in the UK said that violence was a valid way to make a political point or was justified to defend islam against insults.

[Whirlibird]

Okay, here's a handy room for them with convenient washing and the [strike]rug[/strike] prayer mat is furnished.




Some Muslims also wash their private parts.

Prove it, wouldn't that involve using an unclean hand?

[DougWojtowicz]

there are only 3 potential outcomes.... 1) islam is wiped out. 2) islam wipes out the other religions. 3) people inside the islamic faith reform their religion to a more modern stance that allows them to live with others

#3 is the only one that can happen without massive amounts of death...

The trouble is, the moderate reformers don't have the guns, and they don't have Afghanistan-Soviet war era funding and training to make that change.

But hey, best to kill a whole religion. It makes it easier not to think.

Nope, when the jihadis pull one of their stunts the peace loving islamics don't say boo shit. And so while they may not necessarily actively support the jihadis they certainly lend them their tacit support by remaining silent. By not being outraged and ACTUALLY DOING something about it they are part of the problem.

They do. And they have. But does the US media report any of that? One major cleric (supported by several others) laid a denunciation that spurred al Quaeda to attempt a 200 page refutation letter.

Linky

So it was an unwelcome surprise for al-Qaeda's leaders when Dr Fadl's new book, Rationalisation of Jihad, was serialised in an independent Egyptian newspaper in November. The incentive for writing the book, he explained, was that "jihad … was blemished with grave sharia violations during recent years… Now there are those who kill hundreds, including women and children, Muslims and non-Muslims, in the name of jihad!"

Dr Fadl ruled that al-Qaeda's bombings in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere were illegitimate and that terrorism against civilians in Western countries was wrong. He also took on al-Qaeda's leaders directly in an interview with the newspaper Al-Hayat.

"Zawahiri and his Emir Bin Laden [are] extremely immoral," he said. "I have spoken about this in order to warn the youth against them, youth who are seduced by them, and don't know them."

Dr Fadl's harsh words attracted attention throughout the Arabic-speaking world; even a majority of al-Zawahiri's own jihad group jailed in Egyptian prisons promised to end their armed struggle.

In December, al-Zawahiri released an audiotape lambasting his former mentor, accusing him of being in league with the "bloodthirsty betrayer", Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak, and, in a 200-page book titled The Exoneration, published in March, he portrayed Dr Fadl as a prisoner trying to curry favour with Egypt's security services and the author of "a desperate attempt (under American sponsorship) to confront the high tide of the jihadist awakening".

Ultimately, however, the ideological battle against al-Qaeda in the West may be won in Britain, in places such as Leyton and Walthamstow, east London, whose residents include five of the eight alleged al-Qaeda operatives on trial for plotting to bring down US-bound passenger jets in 2006.

[mekender]

there are only 3 potential outcomes.... 1) islam is wiped out. 2) islam wipes out the other religions. 3) people inside the islamic faith reform their religion to a more modern stance that allows them to live with others

#3 is the only one that can happen without massive amounts of death...

The trouble is, the moderate reformers don't have the guns, and they don't have Afghanistan-Soviet war era funding and training to make that change.

But hey, best to kill a whole religion. It makes it easier not to think.

I have never advocated killing an entire religion...

the problem is, the 3 options mentioned above are the only 3 i can see... #1 and #2 would suck... #3 isnt possible without a serious change in the muslim religion....

so where is the answer?

my guess is that sooner or later, the 2/3rds of the world that aren't Islamic will someday be forced to take up arms against the other 3rd... probably once attacks stop claiming a couple of hundred of lives at a time and start claiming hundreds of thousands...

i hope that i and my children never have to see that day... but i will not sit by and just let someone spoon feed me bullshit about a religion that was founded by a pedophile warlord and who's major tenant is that non-believers should be enslaved or forced to pay a fee.

i will oppose those ideals because they are against everything that i stand for.

[The Quiet Man]

Well, if there is a billion of them then A famous cleric and a few of his fellow travellers writing a denunciation falls mighty short of impressing me that they are wanting to coexist with the non-believers (me...and I assume you). If that feeble attempt to thwart the efforts of the miniscule number of bad apples in the religion of peace fills you with hope for the future then you go on with your bad self...me, I ain't feelin' it yet. And it would seem that I am not the only one who is less than impressed considering the article that I just read.

Take a gander at this article and see where he is going wrong. It is altogether possible that Robert Spencer is a bigot as well, but I believe that he has studied this subject more than I have and it would seem that he is also underwhelmed with the Islamic streets condemnation of their more radical brothers.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29735

[mekender]

publish some cartoons.... riots in the streets...

india gets attacked... crickets chirp...

if the whole religion was so outraged, why arent they in the streets en masse demanding this behavior stop?

[Termite]

Doug,

The fact remains that until Islam undergoes reformation, it is incompatible with western civilization in general, and American culture in particular. We don't have a state sponsored religion in the US, although Christianity is the dominant one. And some Christians will make a pest of themselves trying to get you to attend their particular church. But they won't force you to, or make you pay a special tax.

I, along with many others, really don't give a shit about a Muslim's particuliar religious choice. Bully for them. I DO give a shit when they start demanding concessions, such as no pork in stores, no coed swimming pools, special time for prayer while working an assembly line, etc. If life was so great in the Muslim country they came from, why are they here?! Unless it's to force religious conversion. There's a huge difference between being a missionary for your religion in a strange land, and moving yourself and everyone you know to that land with the intent of forcing religious conversion.
The very things that make America special are many of the things many Muslims are attempting to destroy. It's like nutcase liberal Californians moving to the mountain West, and bringing their idiot problems with them. Only 100 times worse.

[JustinR]

Ditto what Termite said.

There have been painfully few Muslim clerics that have publicly stated they believe the Wahabi extremism and violence is a perversion of Islam. One of the few I've heard was on Michael Savage's radio program. Unless the more moderate elements of the religion of Islam can pull it back upright, it is becoming a cultural/religious war whether we want it to or not. With the divisions within the Islamic world (Shiite/Sunni, arab/non-arab, state/tribe affiliations) I think it's unlikely this could happen, with the exception of Iraq and Afganistan, where democratic political frameworks are being setup to deal with differences in ways other than violence.