On Concerns Over Gun Control, Gun Sales Are Up

[308Mike]

Linkarooni

Obama election triggers run on gun sales in state

By Jacqui Seibel of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Nov. 14, 2008

Handgun purchases in Wisconsin skyrocketed 82% in the days before and after Barack Obama's election as president compared with the same 13 days in November last year, figures on state background checks show.

Most of the early November background checks took place after the Nov. 4 presidential election, a sign that gun owners anticipate new restrictions with Democrats taking control of the federal government.

Calls for background checks that are required for the purchase of handguns have flooded the state agency. In the first 13 days of the month, 2,642 background checks were requested. During the same 13 days last November, the number was 1,453, state Justice Department spokesman Bill Cosh said.

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[308Mike]

Linkarooni

Friday November 14, 2008
Gun sales surge after Obama presidential victory
by Jake Stump
Daily Mail Capitol Reporter

CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- President-elect Barack Obama might be Smith & Wesson's best salesman ever.

Fears that Obama and a Democrat-controlled Congress will strip away Second Amendment rights has customers lining up at gun shops all over the country, and here in the Kanawha Valley.

Even those unfamiliar with the trigger are wandering into stores to buy a gun for the very first time.

"We have a tremendous amount of first-time gun buyers," said Jeff Beane, owner of St. Albans Gun and Archery. "They say they want a gun in their house before Obama does anything stupid with them."

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[308Mike]

Linkarooni

Gun-store business booming

Shop owner calls Obama 'salesman of the month'
By Kristina Davis
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

November 16, 2008

The economy may be in the tank, but business has never been better at the El Cajon Gun Exchange.

Semiautomatic rifles, handguns and short-barreled shotguns are moving off the shelves and into the hands of customers who share widespread fears that President-elect Barack Obama will restrict their right to own a gun.

“Obama is the salesman of the month,” said store owner Louis Baldridge.

Bryan Watters, a Lakeside customer who followed the election rhetoric closely, figured it was a no-brainer to make his first gun purchase sooner rather than later.

“I'm afraid of the revocation of my Second Amendment rights,” Watters said Friday after buying a pistol for home protection.

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[postmanone]

mekender-"will you still feel the same when they inform you that if you do not comply, then your mom/dad/sister/daughter/brother will disappear?"
Yes, both my parents are dead, my brother is as well armed as I am. If that time comes, I will not go out being on my knees begging for my life knowing you are going to be ensalved anyway. Also, I am not thinking I will be doing any Rambo BS as a frontal assault to the public officals. But, my attacks would be like ones in WWII as in the underground forces. When one has no debt, pure cash, gold and ammo and stands on principles, that person can do a great deal of good.

Anyway, I think the attacks from the left will be in degrees. That will allow time to build good defenses and also be in a postion to help others. If it is only 1% of the people that stand up for basic rights, I will be proud to be part of them. Remember, evil can only exist if good men do nothing.

[randy]

...again, how dedicated to your cause will you be if a gun is being held to the head of your teenage daughter?

That cuts both ways. How willing will LEOs be to risk their own families' safety?

Ask yourself this: why was the federal dot.gov willing to talk with/wait out the Montana "Freemen", vs storming in ala Waco?

+1 If it gets to that point, or the point where there is a credible threat that your loved ones will be "dissapeared" because of your actions, it's time to remind certain folks that violence can be a 2 way street. Compliance this time on this issue will not necessarily buy you anything when the next issue and demand for compliance comes around. Going along to get along certainly worked out for the Jews in Europe in the 30's and '40's, and the Kulaks in Russia in the '20s and '30s.[/sarcasm]

If the first Jews to be rounded up in Germany had fought back, they would have died, and their families with them. But if the GESTAPO and SA bully boys had lost 1 or 2 dead every time the went out, they'd have given up fairly shortly and found someone else to scapegoat. By the time armed resistance did start, they were up against dedicated and professional killers such as the Waffen SS. If they had started when the opposition was made up of the types of cowardly thugs, bullies and losers that made up the SA and GESTAPO, they might have made a difference.

As I've pointed out to folks spouting the spineless "Better Red than Dead" drivel, history shows that the 2 are not mutually exclusive. Compliance with totalitarian regimes buys you nothing in the long run.

[Sea Dawg]

Several Points:

The Unpleasantness of 1861-1865 was not really a civil war, but a regional war, except in the border states. What we may be looking at now is a possibility of a civil war, with neighbor turning in neighbor, here-to-fore law abiding citizens disobeying the law, even with lethal force, cops and soldiers refusing to obey orders or even shooting their superiors.

Who would be going about collecting banned weapons? Many Police, Deputies, Soldiers, and National Guardsmen support the RKBA. Are they going to sheepishly obey orders, or will they call in sick or refuse to obey?

Do some think that all of the folks buying guns and ammo in the last few months (or years for that matter), in the expectation of gun bans of varying severity, are going to turn around and surrender those weapons because Congress passes a law? I don't think so. And I will not go hide in a mountain redoubt. I took an oath to defend the People and the Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC. I've fought the foreign enemies; I've no problems fighting the domestic ones.

[Scott Free]

Since it is directly related to the topic and on a happy note: my new (okay, CPO) Sig P229 arrived today!

Up yers, ya Socialist b*stards -- figuratively and literally!

[Termite]

The whole point is this:

#1.There are something like 200 million privately owned firearms....*officially
#2. Most LEOs live among the general populace.
#3. There's about 15-20 times as many discharged/retired military veterans, as there are active duty personnel.
#4. Urkel may be a socialist/Marxist, but he's not stupid.


*If it makes ya'll feel any better:

"As the US does not require firearms to be registered (although some individual states do), it is impossible to determine the exact number of privately owned firearms."

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One more thing: ANFO is easily manufactured, and not that terribly hard to detonate.

[The Quiet Man]

Well, I sorta agree with Sea Dawg. The so-called Unpleasantness of 1861-1865 was, in fact, a civil war. It was American fighting against American. It was one portion of the country fighting against the rule of another part of the country. The federal government was pushing policies that the several of the states weren't too keen on and they decided they wanted to go their own way...the federal government wasn't having any of that and so war was the order of the day.

Southern states liked having slaves for the whole cheap labor thing. Northern states felt like they were at a disadvantage because they didn't have slaves and their labor cost them more. The federal government stepped in and decided that no more states allowed into the union would be "slave states"...the southern states saw the writing on the wall about the future of slavery in their own states and decided to bail from the union. The government chose sides and the subsequent war cost more American lives than any other war in history. The sad thing is that folks don't know their history (or really care). If the government chooses sides with the antis and tries to outlaw something that is a birthright to every American citizen they are walking down a path that has already been tread upon and the soil there is still stained red.

I am not of the mind that there will be much resistance from military and national guard and LEOs when/if they are given orders to bust down doors of suspected gun owners...especially if laws are passed "outlawing" the ownership of said firearms. Once the decision makers have couched these orders as being lawful then it is game on. How many BATFE or FBI have you heard about who have quit their job in protest over the orders to break down the doors of "suspected" criminals? Why does anyone seriously believe that it will be any different when/if Uncle Sugar decideds that assault weapons are against the law and only "criminals" possess them? I truly believe that 95 out of 100 will "do their duty" when it comes to smashing down their neighbor's door knowing full well that they have the full faith and support of the federal government behind them.

I also believe that many of the people who just went out and bought a bunch of scary black rifles and ammo for the same WILL tuck their tail between their legs when they are told to give up their weapons and turn them over. I would not be the least bit surprised if they also tell on people that they know also have these same kinds of weapons. Face it...that is the society we live in today. It is a hard and ugly thing to say about fellow citizens, but you know it's true just the same. Like Sea Dawg, I swore an oath and on pain of death I will not renounce that oath. And as I've already stated elsewhere, I am not going to run and hide. I am an American citizen...I'm not gonna hide from my government.

Now, do I believe that this particular issue will be the primer for a new civil war? Not so much. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it. There would have to other factors that piss off too many people prior to a gun grab to make a civil war possible. The people in our government are in general miserable, craven, evil, cowardly bastards who don't care enough about you to hate you...but they aren't stupid...not by a damn sight. They will get all the guns they they want in the guise of saving us from ourselves. Those who resist will be made out to be a bunch of social misfits, mouthbreathing rednecks, anti-social losers who are a danger to the community. Those who resist will be demonized in the media so that others will not be tempted to help out or join in...and if you don't believe it can happen then how exactly do you account for Obama winning the presidency...do you really believe that he was better than John McClown? Or could the media have had something to do with it? Maybe just a little? Remember, Waco was initially about confiscating "illegal guns", then it turned into "stockpiling illegal weapons", then it turned into child molesters who were hoarding illegal weapons. That is what a democrat congress, president and a willing media will get ya...and the general population is stupider by degrees today that they were then. Don't believe me? I'm being too harsh on my fellow citizens? Bill Clinton got 43% of the votes in 1992...Barack Obama got 52% two weeks ago. 16 years ago America was a different place than it is today. I am still not convinced that a civil war is on any horizon...and I pray that the evil bastards in Washington decided not to tread down that blood stained path again.

[Ben Rumson]

Harumph!