On Concerns Over Gun Control, Gun Sales Are Up

[DwightG]

QM, you are spot on... especially how the vast majority of gun owners would give up their guns easily and with out much fuss
above all, we gun owners pride ourselves in being law abiding... most of us would obey the law if it were passed and then go on to fight the hell out of it through the proper channels.

I guess in an era of rampant vote fraud on the part of those "elected" officials who would create "laws" to eliminate our Constitutional Rights (the Constitution being the supreme law of the land) it may be time to re-examine what truly constitutes being law abiding.

How does one go about fighting through "proper channels" when the basic law that defines those channels is essentially ignored or made null through judicial fiat?

If most gun owners actually will just roll over to any "law" that's fabricated (and I suspect you're right on that point) then we've already surrendered. We're just quibbling about the time schedule. People who are inclined to kick sleeping dogs are more likely to do it once they are certain the dog won't bite. Much better that they be absolutely sure the dog will bite.


"If ye love wealth greater than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We seek not your counsel, nor your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you;
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

--Samuel Adams

[Aglifter]

In a way, I agree... I'm not too sure that a Civil War wouldn't have had to have occurred in the 30s to have done any good. And, frankly, I don't think the populace has the taste for it on either side -- Our Civil War was unpopular enough w.o. being able to show live footage to the populace.

I doubt Obama is as stupid as some of his supporters, but he could be greatly self-deceived, about his own support. If he followed through on some of his campaign promises*/suggestions from advisors, he could end up w. very strong resistance from the states. I doubt it would start as shooting, neither did the first Civil War, but it could very well have state's chucking out the Feds -- during Clintons era, my hometown arrested any federal official for trespassing, and eventually, they stopped coming.

*The Civil Defense Force stuff, outlawing CCW, Biden's "Turn 'em in America" bit.

[postmanone]

I have bought some items for hunting and self defense. However, if the theme of many here that gun onwers will be willing and just go alone with any gun laws like banning all military types and semi-autos. Place a 100% tax on ammo, and limit the amount any one can buy plus all ammo sales will need a permit for a person to buy. Or hell, lets just say the new Oligarchy in Washington just bans all gun shows, Federalize all gun shops, and make all of the guns,( the semi autos pistols and long guns) that have been bought in the past 6 months illegal and need to be turned in. And people here think the people will just do it?? If that is the case, this Republic is over and it should be. The US Constitution was a nice document but it is meanless now. If the second amendment gets toasted, your rights to property and privacy are toast too.
I for one will not allow the Federal Governemnt take my guns or any of my rights away without a fight. If that means living off the grid in a mountain shack in the woods, I will do it.
I think the talk of civil war will have more to do with the coming depression and the civil unrest when the food shortages hit the cities big time.

[mekender]

I for one will not allow the Federal Governemnt take my guns or any of my rights away without a fight. If that means living off the grid in a mountain shack in the woods, I will do it.

will you still feel the same when they inform you that if you do not comply, then your mom/dad/sister/daughter/brother will disappear?

everyone has a point at which they will no longer resist, your mistake is that you underestimate the governments ability to kill their citizens.

[FastRope71]

your mistake is that you underestimate the governments ability to kill their citizens.

And they underestimate their citizen's ability to kill them right back. Remember, all the other places where genocidal atrocities happened, the government agents were not going up agains people who were armed as well as they were, if by volume, rather than technology.

[mekender]

your mistake is that you underestimate the governments ability to kill their citizens.

And they underestimate their citizen's ability to kill them right back. Remember, all the other places where genocidal atrocities happened, the government agents were not going up agains people who were armed as well as they were, if by volume, rather than technology.

again, how dedicated to your cause will you be if a gun is being held to the head of your teenage daughter?

everyone has a breaking point, finding yours is only a matter of figuring out what you care about.

and i can assure you, when it comes down to brass tax, less than 1%, way less, will actually lay their own lives on the line along with the lives of their family.

the ones that actually do will be labeled as insane/criminal/rogue/drugged out etc... take your pick...

and their actions will be used to justify the further oppression against others.

[DwightG]

If you are dealing with the type of people who will hold a gun to the head of your teenage daughter, you should have already been shooting a long time before.

[mekender]

If you are dealing with the type of people who will hold a gun to the head of your teenage daughter, you should have already been shooting a long time before.

perhaps so... but those types of people have been employed by this country since before most of us were born.

If not, then explain how not one person was ever convicted of the original charges on the search warrant for the waco compound.

Or how not one single LEO was held criminally accountable for the murders at ruby ridge

Or why Ryan Fredrick is sitting in jail awaiting trial in VA...

[Jered]

your mistake is that you underestimate the governments ability to kill their citizens.

And they underestimate their citizen's ability to kill them right back. Remember, all the other places where genocidal atrocities happened, the government agents were not going up agains people who were armed as well as they were, if by volume, rather than technology.

again, how dedicated to your cause will you be if a gun is being held to the head of your teenage daughter?

everyone has a breaking point, finding yours is only a matter of figuring out what you care about.

and i can assure you, when it comes down to brass tax, less than 1%, way less, will actually lay their own lives on the line along with the lives of their family.

the ones that actually do will be labeled as insane/criminal/rogue/drugged out etc... take your pick...

and their actions will be used to justify the further oppression against others.

You ever read a book called 'The Devil's Advocate' written by Taylor Caldwell?

[mekender]

nope but i saw the movie with al pacino