Haji Inside the wire: Harriers, CO lost

[Yogimus]

We have been there long enough to harden perimeters against this kind of thing. (again, an example of us underestimating our foes)

[Highspeed]

Just PM'ed you mate. Cheers.

Wait. Out

[MiddleAgedKen]

Michael Yon reports that towers were not manned, and that occurrence is not unusual.

[308Mike]

I'd use a suppressed .22RF if I knew I'd got a backstop behind where the rabbits liked to feed and a good position to sit and snipe them from. Probably I got 75% with the airguns, 25% with the rimmie ? something like that.

How good is using a CB Short .22 in a rifle with a LONG barrel? Of course, it's not going to be as quiet as a suppressed gun, but CERTAINLY much quieter than a regular .22 in a Ruger 10/22. When I finally get my .22 lever action (or maybe even a pump, but I'm partial to a lever), I'm going to try several .22 shorts in it. First with hearing protection, and based upon what I hear wearing those, then without hearing protection. I'm sure someone has worked out the optimum barrel length for using .22 shorts, to get the most velocity and least sound out of long rifles, and it's probably right around 18 inches or so, and using such a round in a 20" barrel would probably impact velocity a little bit (but increase accuracy), and likely significantly decrease the sound signature over an 18" barrel.

I would be quite interested in people testing CB Short .22s vs. regular .22LR to evaluate their sound signatures. I already KNOW about how loud .22LR round are through all kinds of rifles and handguns. But what I haven't seen is a bunch of CB Short .22 rounds fired through a variety of firearms to notice their sound profiles vs. the usual .22LR rounds.

This last weekend, I was walking between the ranges at our gun club ranges in Alpine and gazed over at the homes nearby. We had all kinds of shooting going on, shotguns, rifles (including short-barreled .308 and some .30-06, as well as MANY AR rifles), and we were making a LOT of noise!! And I sincerely felt for the homeowners living near the range (much like I did when I was living in Loma Portal, just outside Point Loma and the flight path leaving Lindbergh Field). Having suppressed firearms and low-sound firearms make a WORLD of difference when shooting near occupied dwellings (especially when dealing with varmints).

One of these days I'm going to take some of my .22 shorts to the range and when I find a willing participant, we're going to fire some downrange to check the sound level and accuracy when firing at targets at 50 yards. But first, I need to dig them out of the bottom of the gun safe.......

[NVGdude]

Did the attackers use night vision? If so, what does that signify, if anything?

ETA: Yon covers it in his article:

I am going to say this one time, and that's it: Do not EVER use the active IR flood on ground NVGs while in the field. Even the super cheap-ass Russian junk is good enough to lob an RPG up your ass if you are stupid enough to paint an infra-red "shoot me" sign on your head.

Honestly there is so much old Russian Gen I and French Gen II stuff floating around that part of the world it's best to assume that every single person in that part of the world has an AK and 50's quality NVGs. There is also plenty of DELFT and Photonis gear out there and we have repatriated full spec OMNI VII PVS-14's off Taliban in the past.

[Rusty Ray]

Just PM'ed you mate. Cheers.

Wait. Out

Not sure it is working, did ya geddit?

Ray

[Highspeed]

How good is using a CB Short .22 in a rifle with a LONG barrel?

I honestly don't know Mike. They must have been popular here at one time I guess, but I never came across them or anything that fired them.

I did do quite a lot of ratting inside pig farms ( think large concrete enclosures, split into pens ) and .22RF wasn't useable due to ricochets.
The rounds we used to use were .22 RWS Z-Lang ( Z-Lang=Zimmerlang=" Indoor Ammunition " ) which is .22RF sized but considerably downloaded. I can't remember the velocity or bullet weight but the muzzle energy worked out to roughly 40ftlbs
Wouldn't cycle a semi, obviously, we used them in a pump or a lever gun. The noise signature was about the same as an unsuppressed airgun.

[Highspeed]

I am going to say this one time, and that's it: Do not EVER use the active IR flood on ground NVGs while in the field. Even the super cheap-ass Russian junk is good enough to lob an RPG up your ass if you are stupid enough to paint an infra-red "shoot me" sign on your head.

The older Brit Gen II goggles had the same 'pull and twist' function to switch on the IR illuminator as modern US gear but also a little red light in the eyepiece to remind you that the IR was operating. Pretty good idea.

Quite a lot of that Russian Junk passed through my hands, and it's not too badly designed, it's just badly assembled ( out of collimation ). The quality of the image is dependant on how much vodka the guy putting it together at the factory had drunk that day

[Rusty Ray]

BBC segment with interviews.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19704120


Cheers- Rusty

[Termite]

How good is using a CB Short .22 in a rifle with a LONG barrel?

Actually not bad.

Something else: figure out a way to attach a liter soda bottle to the end of your barrel, and you have a one shot suppressor...