Active Shooter, dark, ballistics helmet and/or body armor

[Aglifter]

I don't know how far down armor goes, but from the back or the side, if you could hit the sacrum, even if you don't hit it dead-on, there are so many nerves there, you may be able to stop him from the pain.

[Mike OTDP]

Put 2-3 rounds in the pelvis, then close for the head shot.

[arctictom]

the odds are not in my favor, but given it happened here I would not be alone,

Multiple CCW holders responding in an active shooting event is an idea that scares the crap out of me. Not because of danger to bystanders, but for the potential of target mis-identification. Granted, in the theater shooting, I don't think that the shooter would be mistaken for a CCW holder, but if the goblin was more like the AZ guy and just had a pistol, the potential for mistaking each other for additional accomplices would be a lot higher. The odds of multiple active shooters has got to be a lot lower than the odds of multiple CCW responders, but it isn't unheard of.

That thought had crossed my mind , who is the good guy and not another bg , shit it would very difficult to determine.

[toad]

As Chris states, even with bullet that doesn't penetrate armor, there is pain.
There is an old incident from Houston, Texas, in which a goblin went into a Restaurant wearing one of the old steel bullet proof vests. He hauled out a gun and announced his intentions to rob the place. Since these things tended to end up with goblins shooting people even when they got what they wanted, the proprietor pulled out a 1911 and shot him once in the chest with a hard ball round. The goblin staggered but didn't go down, so the owner shot him in the chest again. The goblin again staggered but still didn't go down so the next shot was to his head. He went down then.
Back in the day you could buy an expensive .45 acp round, called the "K" round. It had a tungsten core and was loaded somewhat hot. It was intended for use against the steel vests of the day and for shoot through barricades and vehicles but IIRC civilians could purchase it. I think some individual cops bought it but it never took off. Now days it would be illegal as heck for civilians to buy or ....make.

[Greg]

the odds are not in my favor, but given it happened here I would not be alone,

Multiple CCW holders responding in an active shooting event is an idea that scares the crap out of me. Not because of danger to bystanders, but for the potential of target mis-identification. Granted, in the theater shooting, I don't think that the shooter would be mistaken for a CCW holder, but if the goblin was more like the AZ guy and just had a pistol, the potential for mistaking each other for additional accomplices would be a lot higher. The odds of multiple active shooters has got to be a lot lower than the odds of multiple CCW responders, but it isn't unheard of.

That thought had crossed my mind , who is the good guy and not another bg , shit it would very difficult to determine.

Probably less than you'd think. If you *see* the shooter, you know. If you don't and are just responding, then look for fire discipline. Active shooters... shoot actively.

[Termite]

Back in the day you could buy an expensive .45 acp round, called the "K" round. It had a tungsten core and was loaded somewhat hot. It was intended for use against the steel vests of the day and for shoot through barricades and vehicles but IIRC civilians could purchase it. I think some individual cops bought it but it never took off. Now days it would be illegal as heck for civilians to buy or ....make.

KTW. LINK

[randy]

Multiple CCW holders responding in an active shooting event is an idea that scares the crap out of me. Not because of danger to bystanders, but for the potential of target mis-identification. Granted, in the theater shooting, I don't think that the shooter would be mistaken for a CCW holder, but if the goblin was more like the AZ guy and just had a pistol, the potential for mistaking each other for additional accomplices would be a lot higher. The odds of multiple active shooters has got to be a lot lower than the odds of multiple CCW responders, but it isn't unheard of.

That thought had crossed my mind , who is the good guy and not another bg , shit it would very difficult to determine.

Probably less than you'd think. If you *see* the shooter, you know. If you don't and are just responding, then look for fire discipline. Active shooters... shoot actively.

Yes. Look for the asshole shooting unarmed innocents.

[308Mike]

I recall when all the news reports starting coming out about what he was wearing, I recall one on the TV new in specific (Fox News) which stated the shooting suspect was wearing a bullet protective vest (soft body armor), and the rest of him was covered by material made out of BALLISTIC NYLON - NOT bullet resistant material.

As most of us know, Ballistic Nylon is a FAR CRY from Bullet Resistant layers of Kevlar!! I have several gun cases made using Ballistic Nylon, and I wouldn't trust ALL OF THEM stacked and sewn together to stop a .357 Magnum, much less a .45 or 9mm!!

Ever since that report came out, the media has been shortening their reporting to say he was covered head-to-toe in bullet resistant armor like the Hollywood shooters (who also had weak spots like their heads, knees, ankles, feet), but this clown was wearing only Ballistic Nylon (and LEO spokespeople decided to let it play that he was fully covered in anti-bullet material), but I tend to believe the first report which said he was wearing a bullet-resistant vest and covered in ballistic nylon (which wouldn't even slow a bullet down by much). Ballistic Nylon is TOUGH, but is CERTAINLY NOT bullet RESISTANT!!

Unfortunately, as much as I LOVE watching the media step all over their cranks, the VAST MAJORITY of the current viewers and listeners don't know enough to understand the difference between the different materials and properties since they've been raised on multi-media and tend to believe whatever they see or hear from the MSM.

This situation is NOT going to change until we can get a good foothold in the MSM BESIDES FoxNews!! We need to take back not only the media, but the educational/indoctrination system as well!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

[toad]

My own theory is that the MSM is dying a slow economic death along with their base support. Microsoft just split the sheets with MSNBC cable. It will now be just NBC cable. Broadcast TV is starting the slow slide down also. It all kind of ties in with Walter Russel Meade's death of the central controlled Blue Model of things.
"We distort, You subside."

[Yogimus]

I recall when all the news reports starting coming out about what he was wearing, I recall one on the TV new in specific (Fox News) which stated the shooting suspect was wearing a bullet protective vest (soft body armor), and the rest of him was covered by material made out of BALLISTIC NYLON - NOT bullet resistant material.

As most of us know, Ballistic Nylon is a FAR CRY from Bullet Resistant layers of Kevlar!! I have several gun cases made using Ballistic Nylon, and I wouldn't trust ALL OF THEM stacked and sewn together to stop a .357 Magnum, much less a .45 or 9mm!!

Ever since that report came out, the media has been shortening their reporting to say he was covered head-to-toe in bullet resistant armor like the Hollywood shooters (who also had weak spots like their heads, knees, ankles, feet), but this clown was wearing only Ballistic Nylon (and LEO spokespeople decided to let it play that he was fully covered in anti-bullet material), but I tend to believe the first report which said he was wearing a bullet-resistant vest and covered in ballistic nylon (which wouldn't even slow a bullet down by much). Ballistic Nylon is TOUGH, but is CERTAINLY NOT bullet RESISTANT!!

Unfortunately, as much as I LOVE watching the media step all over their cranks, the VAST MAJORITY of the current viewers and listeners don't know enough to understand the difference between the different materials and properties since they've been raised on multi-media and tend to believe whatever they see or hear from the MSM.

This situation is NOT going to change until we can get a good foothold in the MSM BESIDES FoxNews!! We need to take back not only the media, but the educational/indoctrination system as well!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

He was wearing a load bearing vest. LBV/E gear.