My Trip to the Local LDS Cannery

[rightisright]

Just got done bagging some pasta. I usually have problems w. the standard 5 mil bags. The sharp pasta breaks through them. Usually while I am moving them to a 5 gallon bucket. Not good.


The 7 mil bags from the cannery are much stouter. No holes yet. They are naturally a little harder to seal because of their thickness. But they aren't unwieldy.

[Steamforger]

I got a 25# bag of black beans and one of pinto beans. 6 #10 cans of rice. 25# of potato flakes. 16# of pancake mix. 6 #10 cans of oats. 6 #10 cans of pinto beans. 50 mylar bags and 100 O2 absorbers for just under $200. Since they operate at cost, their prices are by far better than anything I can find around here or online.

I use Winco. They have the bulk dry foods barrels out in the store. Grab a poly bag like you would for produce (I double bag) and go at it. I usually make a few extra, long term purchases everytime I make groceries. Tonight, for example-

8.3# grits @ .59/lb = $4.89
1.13# peanuts @ $2.68/LB = $3.03
1.35# tortilla soup mix @ $4.17/lb = $5.63
6.6# White long grain rice @ .53/lb = 4.98

Typically, I grab a large 6-8# bag of both white rice and kidney beans every time. Often, I throw in little extras...sugar, yeast, barley (see a plan developing???) salt, dried peppers, granola, flour, pepper, etc. I have stockpiled quite a bit of dried goods with very easy long term storage this way. Cost wasn't too great, and the time involved was negligible. The added benefit is this can be easily done on a budget. Using tonight's purchases as a spot check, I'm paying about .32 per lb. more over your .73/lb total cost. That gap would normally be a bit narrower, but it works for me.

[308Mike]

How do you avoid free-loaders, of the whiskered variety?

Rodents can and will eat through mylar bags. All my mylars go inside 5 gallon buckets with an air-tight seal. Labeled and stacked.

The #10 cans are metal. Rodents aren't that bad around here. I would expect that to change if the SHTF. Might have to get a Jack Russel if they get big

You could get a LOT of stuff packed into a 20mm ammo can, and be assured no damned rodents/coyotes/small bears (large bears can probably jump up and down and crush in the side of the can, then work their way into it) will be getting into it.

[Little Sister]

Also, this might be an appropriate forum for this question. My friendly well-driller, up in Oregon, told me that it was against federal law to store more than two weeks of food.
I tried to research that possibility and found some vague references to a Clinton Executive Order about "registering excessive food supplies." Probably, IIRC, with FEMA or some other .gov agency.
Anyone else aware of something like this?

I have never heard anything like that and, if there was, I am sure someone I know would have mentioned it.

Dry-pack canning is easy to do and I have some cans of Quick Oats that I packed myself about 10 years ago that we are using today. It is great to have things stashed in the pantry for those days when the snow reaches over the tires of your truck and it just isn't worth going out. Many a time it has been handy to just go to the pantry when you run out of something in the middle of fixing dinner. Store the long term stuff but don't forget the everyday things that make survival into living.

[moose42]

If you've got rodents that can get through a #10 can you probably have some ROUS.

[Termite]

Also, this might be an appropriate forum for this question. My friendly well-driller, up in Oregon, told me that it was against federal law to store more than two weeks of food.
I tried to research that possibility and found some vague references to a Clinton Executive Order about "registering excessive food supplies." Probably, IIRC, with FEMA or some other .gov agency.
Anyone else aware of something like this?

There's absolutely no law like that.

Actually there is........sort of. It's EO #12919. It doesn't address large quantities of food storage directly, nor is "hoarding" defined. Rather it grants FEMA the authority for seizure or confiscation of items and facilities "to provide a state of readiness in these resource areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States."
Link

Here is a pdf of the EO: LINKY

[JAG2955]

Also, this might be an appropriate forum for this question. My friendly well-driller, up in Oregon, told me that it was against federal law to store more than two weeks of food.
I tried to research that possibility and found some vague references to a Clinton Executive Order about "registering excessive food supplies." Probably, IIRC, with FEMA or some other .gov agency.
Anyone else aware of something like this?

There's absolutely no law like that.

Actually there is........sort of. It's EO #12919. It doesn't address large quantities of food storage directly, nor is "hoarding" defined. Rather it grants FEMA the authority for seizure or confiscation of items and facilities "to provide a state of readiness in these resource areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States."
Link

Here is a pdf of the EO: LINKY

Those EOs say that they can take pretty much anything you own if there's a "need." They won't care if you have one can of food, or two hundred. They'll take it, claiming that it's for the greater good. Interesting to know though. Makes me want to head to a better state with more like minded people. I'll close with saying this: It's self-defense if they're trying to starve me to death or shooting at me.

[Netpackrat]

What is their statutory authority for that? It seems like it would violate due process... Not that that has ever stopped the feds from doing whatever they want before.

[HTRN]

I don't think it's for Prepared Paul with his 6 months of MREs, so much as giving themselves legal authority to sieze food warehouses in an emergency. Let's face it, if it's gotten so bad that they're going door to door to sieze cans of spaghetti-os, then we're firmly into collander on the face territory.

I didn't know that A)the LDS Cannerys sold food, B)there was one in NJ, C)they were open to the public.

[Termite]

What is their statutory authority for that?

It's called "color of law".
It is a Constitutional violation to take property such as food items from citizens without just compensation. However, "they" justifiy it under the excuse of "national emergency", and know that the vast majority of Americans will not use violence to stop "them", because they are bigger and stronger. A executive degree or adminstrative ruling is used to provide a thin veeneer of legality. A prime example is FDR's gold bullion decree.

Color of law is basically a pig with lipstick.