Defensive Tactics Against Mobs

[Thomas]

Caught in the open: shoot the nearest/noisest work my way clear

Caught in a building during a riot: anyone wearing a mask is going to get shot first and wounded in the abdomen if I can manage it (all those masked anarchist/socialist retards need to be marked for later collection/disposal, but they shoud suffer in the meantime.)
then anyone carrying anything that is flammable second (those these guys will most likely be the mask wearers)

[Combat Controller]

I'd hit the guys with the molotovs first. When it gets dropped the crowd WILL part and the flaming wounded retard will clear them out pretty quick.

[D5CAV]

Gabe Suarez has some practical advice. Item No 1 is a great place to start. Using the old OODA training, 'RUN' is a great option for 'A', if that option is still available.

http://www.warriortalknews.com/2011/06/ ... efend.html

1). Don't go to stupid places with stupid people to do stupid things. Simple but often ignored. Listen, we do not live in a fair world where everyone respects everyone else. Nor where everyone gets along. You may in fact be totally color-blind in a socio-ethnic sort of way, but not everyone is. So even if your liberal sociology professor thinks it is a cool thing to take a stroll at midnight through a ethnically homogenous part of town (different ethnicity that you), it is still a stupid idea.

2). Always have a method to defend yourself. Even if it is not socially acceptable, or in line with the rules of the day, having some sort of weapon is essential. Right about now, some of the Doodley Doo Rights are screaming that I am telling people to violate the law. Well, go and google these stories. Look at the faces of the victims...specially the one on life support right now. Put yourself in their shoes. Your choice is to arm yourself in violation of the rules, or to take the raping, beating and robbery? What would you choose?

3). Avoid if you can. If you are standing around and see a group of twenty young urban thugs about two blocks away yelling, "kill whitey", and looking at your reflection in the store window, realize that you have not been in the sun in a while, here is my advice - "RUN". If it looks like trouble, it probably is. The gang is not there to debate the effects of american corporate expansion on the development of the urban neighborhoods with you.

4). If you cannot avoid, attack...brutally and viciously. This is not the time to worry about some goofball fear monger's articles about being sued, nor about anything of the sort. It is time to deploy your weapons and attack the leaders. Listen folks, there is disparity of force by the sheer number against you and the knowledge you have based on these prior flash mob events.

If you have limited yourself by the rules and only have a knife, be certain you know how to use it. Make it big enough that it will cause extreme pain and bleeding when you stab the attacker. This is not the place for a legally carried tomato peeler that is two inches or less. You need a fixed or folding knife that is at least 4 inches long.

When the time comes, do not flash the knife like you are some crocodile dundee type guy ("that's not a knife"). Stab the first man deep and hard in his face and move to the next guy and repeat the exercise. Do the same to anyone within reach. When their buddies reel back, screaming in horror and pain, holding their bloodied faces with eyeballs hanging out, it will create hesitation. Use that time to disengage.

If you have a pistol, please make sure it is a modern high capacity weapon with a couple of spare magazines in your belt. The Suarez International company gun, a Glock 17 with three magazines, yields a sum total of 52 rounds. Figure three rounds per man, and you can reduce an angry mob of panga swinging killers into a fleeing group of bloodied bad guys. Draw it and yell, "Get The F*** Back!" If they do, run away. If they do not, shoot the first man in the face. The rest will take care of itself.

It really is very simple. Might you get into trouble? Sure, but being in jail because you stabbed three guys on the street is far better than being in the hospital having holes drilled into your head to relieve the pressure on your brain while the female members of your party are getting HIV exams in the next room. The only way to defeat brutality is with extreme and greater brutality.

[Aglifter]

See, Suarez can almost sound like he makes sense, until he says crap about "shooting people in the face"... (I cannot reliably make a head shot while running on a stationary piece of cardboard w. my optically-sighted, compensated open gun. Certainly not into the "A" zone of the head.)

+1 on shooting the guy w. the maltov first. Bonus irony points for shooting them in the "maltov", and turning them into, useful, self-illuminated crowd dispersers...

[Netpackrat]

See, Suarez can almost sound like he makes sense, until he says crap about "shooting people in the face"... (I cannot reliably make a head shot while running on a stationary piece of cardboard w. my optically-sighted, compensated open gun. Certainly not into the "A" zone of the head.)

If they are actively trying to close to contact distance, you can do it. I did some airsoft force on force with some locals a month or two back, and one time when a guy came at me with a rubber knife, I drew, stitched him up the body and left a nice welt on his face where his goggles didn't cover. One handed, unsighted, on the move. Granted, it's airsoft, but I wouldn't have thought I could do that beforehand. And I don't have near the experience with shooting and moving that you've gotten through competing. Contrary to what I'd always been led to believe, I found that the faster and closer things were happening, the less the sights mattered, and furthermore I reacted without even trying to use them. As distances opened up, I found myself seeing the sights more, and settling into more of a stance. It just kind of worked, and I don't see how you could ever simulate that on an arranged course with regular targets.

Edit to add: I didn't mean to shoot him in the face, and I felt really bad about it. The adrenalin just kind of took over. Next time we do it, we are going to all have paintball masks as minimum required equipment. I got a nice welt over one of my ribs where a pellet made it through the gap at the front of my jacket. Found another one still in one of my pockets about a week ago...

[Termite]

Avoid if you can. If you are standing around and see a group of twenty young urban thugs about two blocks away yelling, "kill whitey", and looking at your reflection in the store window, realize that you have not been in the sun in a while, here is my advice - "RUN". If it looks like trouble, it probably is. The gang is not there to debate the effects of American corporate expansion on the development of the urban neighborhoods with you.

Sage advice.

On a side note, it should be interesting when such a group of "democratic voters" runs into CCW carriers. Too bad that didn't happen in Wisconsin a few days ago......

[princewally]

What are the laws when faced with a mob?

Normally reasonable fear for life or bodily harm allows you to defend yourself but you need to wait for the perp to actually attack you or brandish a weapon. Obviously can't wait for an entire mob to attack you.

Any law regarding this?

It's called disparity of force. A mob is a weapon.

[308Mike]

Just remember, "Angle of incidence equals angle of reflection".

We were taught when shooting, the bullet's exit angle is approx 1/2 that of the entry angle, which takes into account the drag on the one side as it impacts the surface of the object. The bullets will also tumble much more if the surface is very coarse as opposed to a smooth, flat surface. When doing something like these skipped shots, a shotgun is the preferred tool.

YMMV

[randy]

Just remember, "Angle of incidence equals angle of reflection".

We were taught when shooting, the bullet's exit angle is approx 1/2 that of the entry angle, which takes into account the drag on on the one side as it impacts the surface of the object. The bullets will also tumble much more if the surface is very coarse as opposed to a smooth, flat surface. When doing something like these skipped shots, a shotgun is the preferred tool.

YMMV

I'm talking ricochet (no penetration). I think you're talking about deflection within the target medium as it exits the target?

That and I'm talking from experience with slightly larger projectiles (let's see, 500lbs = how many grains? )

[Combat Controller]

Thanks Mike, handy that.