After you Shoot

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Time to start a new thread.

Alan Korwin has some thoughts about the subject and discusses them at great length in the book. He solicited input from many sources. Ayoob was one of those sources.

Most of the premise of the book is that you have the right, granted by the Constitution to NOT incriminate yourself. A 911 telephone call - CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU in a court of law. The 911 call does not allow you to remain silent and not speak to the authorities.

Alan's suggested 911 statement is ten simple words long.
"I've just been attacked. Send an ambulance and police to (location)." Hang up. Call your lawyer. Wait.
Of the many lawyers and others involved in Alan's research, most did not agree about most of the subject of the book. Alan suggests calling your lawyer first and having him/her call 911. The arguements against doing it that way were numerous and mostly speculation as to the reception by the legal system/jury. No one could cite case law that showed this to be an unacceptable practice.

Alan himself spends much of the book speculating on the expected outcomes of different approaches.

The first and the only firm suggestion Alan makes is that if you expect to defend yourself at any time with deadly force, have already made contact with an attorney and established a relationship with an attorney you can work with.

The book will provoke lots of thought on your part and a lively discussion amongst those that read it.

Denis, I will see Alan again soon (I hope) and will mention the e-book angle to him.

PS Denis, this is for your benefit, The Phoenix NOR meet in Apr 2005 (Damn that was a long time ago!) I had Alan for a guest speaker at our dinner. If one of our European brethren were to take firearms instruction in Arizona, perhaps Alan could be persuaded to join us again.... :mrgreen:
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Rumpshot wrote:The 911 call does not allow you to remain silent and not speak to the authorities.
Sure it does. All law enforcement agencies respond to 911 open lines, and or hangup calls if they can't get someone back on the phone to confirm there's no emergency. Granted you won't get an ambulance response as quickly as saying you've been attacked and medical attention is needed. Even so, most fire & ambulance crews hold back from violence scenes until the cops determine its safe for them to enter.

Also, how old is Alan's book? If fairly recent, does he distinguish between those states with Castle Doctrine laws and those without?
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Copyright 2011.

If there is just an open line, yes you are correct. If you say anything, it will be recorded. And available to possibly prosecute you.
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"After you shoot?"

Isn't the next line "Shovel?" :roll:
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He does state the following:

Speak
The
Fewest
Utterances


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"I was attacked, shots were fired, please send help"

That is about all I need to say...

Adding in that shots were fired makes it so that you are the first one to report than instead of the cop hearing about it from a neighbor that calls in while he is racing to the scene... No need to make him any more nervous than he will be already.
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Rumpshot wrote:Denis, I will see Alan again soon (I hope) and will mention the e-book angle to him.

PS Denis, this is for your benefit, The Phoenix NOR meet in Apr 2005 (Damn that was a long time ago!) I had Alan for a guest speaker at our dinner. If one of our European brethren were to take firearms instruction in Arizona, perhaps Alan could be persuaded to join us again.... :mrgreen:
Thanks, Rumpshot! Paulden is sounding more and more tempting.

On the ebook / pricing angle, authors who have been giving this a lot of thought seem to be finding that they can maximise their revenue by pricing an ebook at or below the price point at which Amazon offers the author/publisher 70% of the revenue (IIRC, this is a minimum US$2.99). The author/publisher gets less money per individual ebook sold, but sells a lot more of them than would be possible at a higher price point. See here for more detail, for example. In addition, keeping ebook prices modest seems to keep honest people honest, as far as making illicit copies is concerned; lots of people are happy to pay $0.99 for a legit ebook, but if it costs $14.99, they might be tempted to go looking for a scanned copy online.
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mekender wrote:"I was attacked, shots were fired, please send help"
I'm not offering legal advice here (nor am I qualified to).

I do wonder whether, provided one could muster the necessary sang-froid to remember to do it, making the 911 call without the sim card in a mobile phone would be a good idea - IIRC, it makes it impossible for the authorities to trace what phone made the call.

It would be better to have the words prepared already (along the lines above), and if possible hand them and a phone to another person with the instruction to make the call, say the words and hang up.
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At some point it looks staged and suspicious. Follow Ayoob's advice, he's been a master witness for years and if anyone is qualified to give advice it is him. Lawyer up after the minimum disclosures.
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You guys don't have a bunch of Bond one liners to give to the police?
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