Storage of an auto pistol for ready use

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Kommander
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Re: Storage of an auto pistol for ready use

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Whirlibird wrote:But sorry you can't prove that spring set happens, therefore it's a theory that it doesn't happen.
Fixed it for you.

Until you can scientifically explain why the springs are taking a set all you have is a bunch of anecdotes, not data.
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Re: Storage of an auto pistol for ready use

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Kommander wrote:
Whirlibird wrote:But sorry you can't prove that spring set happens, therefore it's a theory that it doesn't happen.
Fixed it for you.

Until you can scientifically explain why the springs are taking a set all you have is a bunch of anecdotes, not data.

Didn't need fixin'.

And my anecdotes come from empirical knowledge. Look it up in Webster's.

I have my knowledge, you have your theory.

We're both happy in the knowledge that we're right.
I just have experience to back my opinion up.

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I'm just sitting in the peanut gallery but advise the layman against reflectiing badly on himself with excessive bravado about conclusions and theories drawn from anecdote. Engineers in the room have gone silent -- out of kindness I s'pect.

The plural of anecdote is still not data.

I started life in the trenches as a mechanic, then tech. There the title "Engineer" was an epithet. A bit more college B.S study and then working with Engineers daily for the last 20 years after the Nav has tempered those stereotypes and been a lesson in humility.

There is indeed such a thing as material science. A great deal is understood about things like plastic deformation and modulus of elasticity of specific materials. If anecdotally springs have been observed to "set" there is indeed established science that explains it.

Whether a design used a material properly, whether that the material was processed properly in mfg and what a user can do to be assured of performance is likely a more useful discussion.

Good starting point: chrome silicone.
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So I should be able to load good quality mags full-up and store them, and if they "take a set" over the course of a couple of years they are either of inferior material or improper manufacture?
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yes, or misapplication of the material in the design.

...and there's the rub. How can we know all those things in advance? What do we as users do about it other than buy from proven sources with good reputations (e.g. Wilson Combat or Chip McC for me on 1911 mags).
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Pretty much yeah. Get good materials from a good maker and it goes a long way.
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CombatController wrote:Pretty much yeah. Get good materials from a good maker and it goes a long way.
That tends to be: "You get what you pay for." But unfortunately people will take advantage of that and overprice cheap components and tout them as VERY high quality - while you get SHIT to deal with.

Buy reputable products from reputable dealers who have decent return policies, or buy high-quality springs and have them treated by CC. 8-) 8-)
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