Bad cops and riots in Minn
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Sometimes I wish I was part African Extraction black instead of just Black Irish, so I could dare people to call me racist when I speak documented facts. But alas, I am fairly pasty white as any good german, brit, irish mix is likely to be.
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Or black babies being aborted at a higher rate than other races.Jered wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:21 amTurn that argument back on the person with actual statistics.Langenator wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:43 pm My suspicion is that the biggest is the crime rate, especially the rate of violent crime by blacks. But you can't mention that, at least not without blaming white racism, without being called a racist.
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I'm got some American Indian, so, I can't be racist because I'm a minority.

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One other possible factor that might be having an effect on the level of violence in police-citizen interactions involving (non-Asian) minorities: how often does the person being arrested/detained attempt to resist and/or flee/evade?
This is all anecdote, not data, but I will not that a good number of the high profile cases upon which BLM is built involve cases of at least one of those elements.
- Eric Garner - resisting (passive resistance is still resistance, legally)
- Michael Brown - resisting & assaulting a police officer
- George Floyd - resisting (note that in both the Garner and Floyd cases, the level of force used was well beyond what was called for)
- Rayshard Brown - resisting, evading, agg. assault on a police officer
(Trayvon Martin committed agg. assault on a neighborhood watch member, not a cop)
More anecdotes: in 3.5 years as a cop, I've had 2 cases of evading on foot, and 2 evading in a vehicle (both added evading on foot when they ran out of road and bailed out). Both of the vehicle cases were black suspects. The foot cases were 1 Hispanic, and 1 white. In the same time frame, I've been involved in 5 felony stops on vehicles: 2 involving stolen vehicles, and 3 as the ending of evading in a vehicle. All 3 of the evading in a vehicle cases had black suspects. The stolen vehicles had 1 black suspect and 1 Hispanic.
Resisting and/or evading are more likely to lead to use of force by the police, and thus more likely to lead to excessive use of force. Do we know if anyone has run stats to see if some racial/ethnic groups are more likely to resist and/or evade?
(Some crimes seem to go the other way, too: I've made 42 arrests for DWI. Only 2 of those have been black, best I can recall. I don't think I've issued any citations for MiP to black individuals.)
This is all anecdote, not data, but I will not that a good number of the high profile cases upon which BLM is built involve cases of at least one of those elements.
- Eric Garner - resisting (passive resistance is still resistance, legally)
- Michael Brown - resisting & assaulting a police officer
- George Floyd - resisting (note that in both the Garner and Floyd cases, the level of force used was well beyond what was called for)
- Rayshard Brown - resisting, evading, agg. assault on a police officer
(Trayvon Martin committed agg. assault on a neighborhood watch member, not a cop)
More anecdotes: in 3.5 years as a cop, I've had 2 cases of evading on foot, and 2 evading in a vehicle (both added evading on foot when they ran out of road and bailed out). Both of the vehicle cases were black suspects. The foot cases were 1 Hispanic, and 1 white. In the same time frame, I've been involved in 5 felony stops on vehicles: 2 involving stolen vehicles, and 3 as the ending of evading in a vehicle. All 3 of the evading in a vehicle cases had black suspects. The stolen vehicles had 1 black suspect and 1 Hispanic.
Resisting and/or evading are more likely to lead to use of force by the police, and thus more likely to lead to excessive use of force. Do we know if anyone has run stats to see if some racial/ethnic groups are more likely to resist and/or evade?
(Some crimes seem to go the other way, too: I've made 42 arrests for DWI. Only 2 of those have been black, best I can recall. I don't think I've issued any citations for MiP to black individuals.)
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