Max loads listed by Hodgdon is around 1450 with a 124. Either he has a "fast" barrel, or he's over the limit.CombatController wrote:You forgot to compare .357 sig in your listings. Fast Rope had some 124's going 1600 fps out of his 5 inch XD IIRC.
9x19 vs 9x21 vs .38 Super vs 9x23 vs .357 mag
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Re: 9x19 vs 9x21 vs .38 Super vs 9x23 vs .357 mag
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Re: 9x19 vs 9x21 vs .38 Super vs 9x23 vs .357 mag
I looked at that once and it's a tight fit. They'd be better off with a case that matches the .357 Magnum's dimensions exactly excepting the rim of course.mousegun wrote:Basically a 351 WSL but in true rimless and true 357 diameter.SoupOrMan wrote:And while I'm thinking about stuff like this, why haven't the boffins ever put together a rimless .357 Magnum for the PDW crowd? They could use the same cartridge dimensions, just rimless to feed into a semi-auto or automatic weapon.
You MIGHT be able to do it with a 223 head diameter and brass but it's gonna be real close.
Also, the Ammo Encyclopedia that was selling used on Amazon for $400 is now in print again in paperback. I think it's around $20 or so now.
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Re: 9x19 vs 9x21 vs .38 Super vs 9x23 vs .357 mag
His primers weren't flattened and I have run them over my chrony as well. It's pretty impressive.
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Re: 9x19 vs 9x21 vs .38 Super vs 9x23 vs .357 mag
I've gotten 1150fps out of 5.5 grains of Universal under a 180-grain bullet from my .40 S&W 1911 before if my chronograph is to be believed. The indoor temperature was about 93 and the indoor lighting kit did nothing to help eliminate the errors when I was trying it out.
I suspect there was something else going on and I was getting a bad reading off of the chronograph (Chrony Gamma Master) when those bullets went through. Otherwise I have to wonder if I broke some physical laws of the universe.
I suspect there was something else going on and I was getting a bad reading off of the chronograph (Chrony Gamma Master) when those bullets went through. Otherwise I have to wonder if I broke some physical laws of the universe.
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Re: 9x19 vs 9x21 vs .38 Super vs 9x23 vs .357 mag
That's what surprised me. I checked the rest of the unfired loads out of that batch of 50, they all had the same powder and weight. It's why I think it was an error with the chronograph as I got similar results when testing out the recipe. I would have expected it if I loaded it with 7 grains of Longshot, but not the Universal.CByrneIV wrote:1150fps from a 5" .40 S&W 180gr is perfectly believable; though not with that powder and chargeweight.SoupOrMan wrote:I've gotten 1150fps out of 5.5 grains of Universal under a 180-grain bullet from my .40 S&W 1911 before if my chronograph is to be believed. The indoor temperature was about 93 and the indoor lighting kit did nothing to help eliminate the errors when I was trying it out.
I suspect there was something else going on and I was getting a bad reading off of the chronograph (Chrony Gamma Master) when those bullets went through. Otherwise I have to wonder if I broke some physical laws of the universe.
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Re: 9x19 vs 9x21 vs .38 Super vs 9x23 vs .357 mag
Setup was as follows:HTRN wrote:Max loads listed by Hodgdon is around 1450 with a 124. Either he has a "fast" barrel, or he's over the limit.CombatController wrote:You forgot to compare .357 sig in your listings. Fast Rope had some 124's going 1600 fps out of his 5 inch XD IIRC.
XD with a 6" Bar-sto barrel
125 gr montana gold 357 sig purpose built bullet
fresh Starline brass
CCI small pistol primers
Longshot and/or AA#9 powders can't remember which ~.1-.2 gr below book max
Temp was over 100*f, so probably a factor
Primers flattened somewhat, but not dramatically. They definitely didn't flow.
I saw speeds close to 1600FPS, but I don't think we actually breached that mark. none the less it was pretty astounding.
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Re: 9x19 vs 9x21 vs .38 Super vs 9x23 vs .357 mag
Bah, that's liability prone lawyer stuff.HTRN wrote:Max loads listed by Hodgdon is around 1450 with a 124. Either he has a "fast" barrel, or he's over the limit.CombatController wrote:You forgot to compare .357 sig in your listings. Fast Rope had some 124's going 1600 fps out of his 5 inch XD IIRC.
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Re: 9x19 vs 9x21 vs .38 Super vs 9x23 vs .357 mag
I think that liability is the main reason why Hodgdon never publishes its .357 Magnum loads that use LilGun as rifle loads, only as pistol loads. The awesomeness may be too much to contain for an 1892-style action. Seriously, though, a 158-grain bullet going 1600-1750 fps? That's a lot of ouch out of the end of a rifle.CombatController wrote:Bah, that's liability prone lawyer stuff.HTRN wrote:Max loads listed by Hodgdon is around 1450 with a 124. Either he has a "fast" barrel, or he's over the limit.CombatController wrote:You forgot to compare .357 sig in your listings. Fast Rope had some 124's going 1600 fps out of his 5 inch XD IIRC.
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