I agree that would be a lovely thing to do but the OP (The Wizard) wanted it for a 12 bore shotgun not a 40mm grenade launcher which most of us c/would never own anyway.HTRN wrote:I can - it's called "having something to shoot out of a nice shiny new 40mm grenade launcher that doesn't cost 20 bucks each time you pull the trigger".SeekHer wrote:Other then having run out of shotshells and you've stockpiled a shit load of rimfire I can not conceive of an application for this device.
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12Ga Beehive Round??
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There is a certain type of mentality that thinks if you make certain inanimate objects illegal their criminal misuse will disappear!
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It is linked from a page titled, "SBR's, DD's, and AOW's".CByrneIV wrote:And THAT friends, is a machine gun according to the ATF.
That means, if it was manufactured and registered after May 19, 1986, it's only available to law enforcement and military.
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yep i did except i was under the impression that it wouldnt be a machine gun because as i said even though it would be several rounds of fixed .22LR it would be encased in a single 12Ga shell and fired by a single primer strike...SeekHer wrote:I agree that would be a lovely thing to do but the OP (The Wizard) wanted it for a 12 bore shotgun not a 40mm grenade launcher which most of us c/would never own anyway.HTRN wrote:I can - it's called "having something to shoot out of a nice shiny new 40mm grenade launcher that doesn't cost 20 bucks each time you pull the trigger".SeekHer wrote:Other then having run out of shotshells and you've stockpiled a shit load of rimfire I can not conceive of an application for this device.
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time to derail my own thread....
if someone were to make a gun, say a double barrel shotgun that had a single trigger, and built it to volley fire both barrels every time that the trigger was pulled am i correct in assuming that it would also be a machine gun or destructive device or both?
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That's about the size of it. I'd personally stick with buckshot.if someone were to make a gun, say a double barrel shotgun that had a single trigger, and built it to volley fire both barrels every time that the trigger was pulled am i correct in assuming that it would also be a machine gun or destructive device or both?
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That picture of the beehive round is interesting, but I'm surprised they don't just use a giant shotgun cartridge instead.
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In the old M79 "Blooper" guns they did along with WP, HE, anti personnel and flares.SoupOrMan wrote:That picture of the beehive round is interesting, but I'm surprised they don't just use a giant shotgun cartridge instead.
Who would buy it? Police and military can get the real rounds and it would be illegal for anyone else as Chris pointed out.
Why would they? Ten pellets coming out of a 37 or 40mm tube to begin with and then the aerodynamics--if you'd want to call it that...Do you think, one bullet at ten yards would stick in point first? Wonder what the spread would be like?
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Yes -- it would be a MACHINE GUN according to the BATFEces FTB.The Wizard wrote:if someone were to make a gun, say a double barrel shotgun that had a single trigger, and built it to volley fire both barrels every time that the trigger was pulled am i correct in assuming that it would also be a machine gun or destructive device or both?
Read the transcripts of Olafson's trial -- this point was hammered home over and over, and is the reason he's in prison instead of walking around free.
According to the BATFEces,
the law says ANY weapon firing more than one round with a single trigger-pull is a machine gun.
"So, if Grandpa's double-barrel was broken and fired both at once, it's a machine gun?"
the law says ANY weapon firing more than one round with a single trigger-pull is a machine gun.
Even if it's BROKEN??!!
the law says ANY weapon firing more than one round with a single trigger-pull is a machine gun.
Even though it wasn't designed to multi-fire, even though nobody tampered with it -- even though it's just broken??!!
Continue to repeat, ad-nauseum.the law says ANY weapon firing more than one round with a single trigger-pull is a machine gun.
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The frightening part is talking to gunsmiths in training. I understand that accidently removing too much sear and going full-auto is standard fare when learning to tune 1911s. Sure would suck to have a three-letter agent next to you at the range when you discovered that mistake.Quote:
Even though it wasn't designed to multi-fire, even though nobody tampered with it -- even though it's just broken??!!
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the law says ANY weapon firing more than one round with a single trigger-pull is a machine gun.
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It is this removal of intent as an element of so many crimes nowadays that is the biggest threat to liberty.
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Check out the SPIW fiasco, aka Project Salvo.
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