Obama's socialism in his own words...

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Obama's socialism in his own words...

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I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order as long as I could pay for it I’d be o.k. But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society.
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Yep.

Some election we got here. If we're lucky (for given values of lucky), it's 1912. If we're not, it's 1860.
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Now this is scary:
the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf
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Interesting stuff, but I'm not sure how it'll hurt Obama worse than Joe the Plumber. Those who are voting for him already know what he is, and crave it.

I'm not sure what's going on in the heads of undecideds, the choice has been clear since this whole damn thing started.
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Well, Rush is going to town on this. We'll see how the MSM tries to ignore this.

As for undecideds, I talked to a 20-something vendor who was undecided. He said he hadn't been paying attention. I asked him if he knew B. Hussein Obama was anti-gun. He didn't know.
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sam wrote:As for undecideds, I talked to a 20-something vendor who was undecided. He said he hadn't been paying attention. I asked him if he knew B. Hussein Obama was anti-gun. He didn't know.
You would think the (D-Ill) after his name would have been a clue...
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sam wrote:Well, Rush is going to town on this. We'll see how the MSM tries to ignore this.

As for undecideds, I talked to a 20-something vendor who was undecided. He said he hadn't been paying attention. I asked him if he knew B. Hussein Obama was anti-gun. He didn't know.
Probably means he won't bother voting, so no vote for "change" there.
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Dub_James wrote:Interesting stuff, but I'm not sure how it'll hurt Obama worse than Joe the Plumber. Those who are voting for him already know what he is, and crave it.

I'm not sure what's going on in the heads of undecideds, the choice has been clear since this whole damn thing started.
Well, it depends on how widely spread this information reported. If it gets the usual Obama treatment then it will not affect him in the least because nobody will hear about it. Even if it does get a token amount of reporting it may be too late. However, I believe that most people have no idea who/what Obama is...yet they are going to vote for him nonetheless. I chalk that up to the 8 years of republicans=evil reporting that the MSM have been spoon feeding the masses. The 24/7 Bushitler Chenyburton America is run by evil madmen bent on the domination of small insignificant countries...again, happily supplied by virtually all outlets of what passes for "news" these days. So, while I do agree that there is a significant number of our fellow citizens who are well aware of exactly who and what the Messiah really is and plan on voting for him anyway...an even larger number have no idea nor do they really want to make the effort to find out. We'll call them "The Stupid Majority" who is far more concerned with who was voted off the island and who is leading in the Amazing Race than they are with who will be running the country next year or the full implications of their vote. Bread & Circuses is all that matters.

As for "undecideds"...at this stage of the game if there are really any undecideds left out there they are beneath my contempt. I have never been one who holds these "undecideds" in high regard anyway...if you can't be bothered to pay attention and make up your mind well in advance...if you can't discern the significant differences between the candidates and the issues long before the election, you really shouldn't consider paying a trip to the polls on election day. If folks are that squishy headed they really should sit back and let the adults run the show while they worry about the important issues...like entertainment and sports.
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The Quiet Man wrote: As for "undecideds"...at this stage of the game if there are really any undecideds left out there they are beneath my contempt. I have never been one who holds these "undecideds" in high regard anyway...if you can't be bothered to pay attention and make up your mind well in advance...if you can't discern the significant differences between the candidates and the issues long before the election, you really shouldn't consider paying a trip to the polls on election day. If folks are that squishy headed they really should sit back and let the adults run the show while they worry about the important issues...like entertainment and sports.
That's certainly an, um, interesting paragraph. Do adults really make up their minds "..well in advance..." and "... long before the election...."? At what point should we stop "...paying attention..." and close our minds?

I know a couple of adults who are still undecided. They will definitely NOT vote for Obama. Their indecision is about whether they will vote for McCain or vote for someone besides Obama OR McCain. They "...discern the significant differences between the candidates and the issues..." and find BOTH to be personally objectionable. They probably wouldn't be "undecided" if Obama was trailing badly in the polls - it would be easy to vote for a minority party candidate and not to vote for the moderate Dimmicrat McCain. There are some folks out there who truly dislike McCain, and more than a few of them are having serious misgivings about voting for him.

I've been voting for awhile now - my first presidential election was Goldwater/Johnson. I've been undecided until I stepped into the voting booth on more than one occasion. I have had to hold my nose and vote for scum in an attempt to keep the worse scum from getting elected many times. Please don't paint all undecided folks with the same broad brush......
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cu74 wrote:[I know a couple of adults who are still undecided. They will definitely NOT vote for Obama. Their indecision is about whether they will vote for McCain or vote for someone besides Obama OR McCain. They "...discern the significant differences between the candidates and the issues..." and find BOTH to be personally objectionable. They probably wouldn't be "undecided" if Obama was trailing badly in the polls - it would be easy to vote for a minority party candidate and not to vote for the moderate Dimmicrat McCain. There are some folks out there who truly dislike McCain, and more than a few of them are having serious misgivings about voting for him.

in today's two party system, not voting for McCain is the same as voting for Obama... but it is their vote to throw away as they please
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