So do I. I bought a nice stainless-steel fork and spade set recently, while they were on special offer. I simultaneously bought two long handles for them. Leverage is my friend.Netpackrat wrote:I despise short handled shovels; the only reason to keep them around is for portability.
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Unless you're under a car digging yourself out of a snow bank, or digging between a tree or a hedgerow and a building or a stone fence,,,long handles are of course better for leverage but you still require shorter ones--D handle grain shovela are in the trunk of all the vehicles as is a folding military shovel with a folding pick head for really tight spots!Denis wrote:So do I. I bought a nice stainless-steel fork and spade set recently, while they were on special offer. I simultaneously bought two long handles for them. Leverage is my friend.Netpackrat wrote:I despise short handled shovels; the only reason to keep them around is for portability.
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No snow in the Deep South, but we have plenty of mud. I have one of these.SeekHer wrote: Unless you're under a car digging yourself out of a snow bank, or digging between a tree or a hedgerow and a building or a stone fence,,,long handles are of course better for leverage but you still require shorter ones--D handle grain shovela are in the trunk of all the vehicles as is a folding military shovel with a folding pick head for really tight spots!
It really does perform up to it's claims when chopping, if properly sharpened.. I can see where it would make a nasty improvised weapon.
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Quite. I was thinking more of end-of-days gardening.SeekHer wrote:Unless you're under a car digging yourself out of a snow bank, or digging between a tree or a hedgerow and a building or a stone fence,,,long handles are of course better for leverage but you still require shorter ones--D handle grain shovel are in the trunk of all the vehicles as is a folding military shovel with a folding pick head for really tight spots!
I have a German Army-surplus folding spade in the car for those other emergencies. It came in very handy when we got stuck in snow in the Teutoburger Wald on the way to Springe for boar-hunting in January.
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Estwing makes ball peen hammers? I did not know that. Hmm. Maybe when I finally have to replace the no name Chinese set I bought 10 years ago..Netpackrat wrote:I actually went to the trouble of seeking out their ball pein hammers, which I have never seen for sale in any store, and I actually have 3 of them, plus their sledge (aka Boeing Special Tool #1) and dead blow hammers in my tool box at work.
And by "sledge" you mean the 48oz "Engineer's hammer"(there's a joke in there somewhere

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MSC has them.HTRN wrote:Estwing makes ball peen hammers? I did not know that. Hmm. Maybe when I finally have to replace the no name Chinese set I bought 10 years ago..
It looks like the big one in my work box is the Engineer's hammer. AlaskaTRX received what was listed by MSC as an Engineer's hammer when he graduated from engineering school, but according to the Estwing site I actually got him a lineman's hammer. Oh well.And by "sledge" you mean the 48oz "Engineer's hammer"(there's a joke in there somewhere) or the so called "Drilling" hammer(local name for this type of hammer is Lump Hammer).
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Interestingly enough, so does Amazon. They even offer a discount if you buy all 3 at the same time.Netpackrat wrote:MSC has them.
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So, you're saying he's got a lot of experience breaking rocks?CByrneIV wrote:Either one are used by both blacksmiths and stonemasons. You should see the collection of hammers my dad (a master stonemason) has. He's got at least two of each of two dozen different types, sizes, weights, and materials.
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That's gotta beat stamping out license plates by a long shot.CByrneIV wrote:They used to move him from prison to prison whenever they needed stonework projects. He's repointed the stone and brick faces of every major federal facility in the east.
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I have one in our Liberty and one in the Olds 88. I prolly should upgrade the one in the Jeep to something bigger...Denis wrote:Quite. I was thinking more of end-of-days gardening.SeekHer wrote:Unless you're under a car digging yourself out of a snow bank, or digging between a tree or a hedgerow and a building or a stone fence,,,long handles are of course better for leverage but you still require shorter ones--D handle grain shovel are in the trunk of all the vehicles as is a folding military shovel with a folding pick head for really tight spots!
I have a German Army-surplus folding spade in the car for those other emergencies. It came in very handy when we got stuck in snow in the Teutoburger Wald on the way to Springe for boar-hunting in January.