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Re: Starting to think about going big...

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Armstrong Guns are in fact civil war artillary.
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Netpackrat wrote:How much does 20mm Vulcan go for these days? An Anzio 20mm isn't exactly cheap, but would the ammo for one be a cheaper option than feeding a Lahti?
The issue is less cost than availability. Empty 20mm Vulcan shells round off to "free".

You can find them at most ELGS for $2 to $5 per empty case. Reloading them is a minor problem because Vulcans are electrically fired, so you need to figure out a way to insert a percussion primer. The Anzio guys can talk you through that.

Once you've got that part solved, you're back to finding practice 20mm Vulcan projos (good luck!), or machining them from brass bar stock, which is the same cost as for the Lahti.

This guy has ready made ammo for sale with projos and percussion primers for $60 per round, which seems pretty reasonable: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =486923628

The gun I lust for is the S-18/1000 Solothurn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solothurn_S-18/1000

Here's one that sold: http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewit ... 2/lid/1718

Again, scoring the ammo is a PITA. The big advantage of the Anzio is that 20mm Vulcan ammo is actually available (although expensive). A casual run through gunbroker shows one round of 20x138mm Solothurn ammo, versus hundreds of rounds of 20x102mm Vulcan ammo.

Even 20x110mm Oerlikon and 20x139mm Hispano-Suiza (which was only used a short time by the US) is easier to find than the 20x138mm Solothurn.
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HTRN wrote:I'm amazed that prices have come down - I remember it was maybe 10 years ago, when a complete 90mm antitank gun had an asking price of 150K on that infamous DD forum, and was sold in a week. I suspect that the reason for the price drop is simply a shitty economy.
In the interest of full disclosure, the 105mm howitzer that was offered to me for $10k was "some assembly required". It came out of a self propelled howitzer, so it was just the tube and recuperator. The breech was uncut and the barrel was clean (though some superficial surface rust) with strong rifling. The breech block was there, but it was incomplete, and not attached to the tube. However, according to BATFE, it was registered as a "live" DD on a Form 4, even though there was no earthly way it would ever launch a projo without a lot of work. The Form 4 was basically a license to do the work to make it into something that would launch a projo without going to jail.

Yeah, I passed.

The owner either didn't want to, or couldn't transfer the registration, so unfortunately, there is one less 105mm howitzer on the NFA registry. He didn't want to go through the hassle of shopping for another buyer, so he cut the breech and the barrel per new BATFE regulations so he could remove it from the NFA registry and possess it.
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If you find a Davy Crockett out there, let me know.
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SoupOrMan wrote:If you find a Davy Crockett out there, let me know.
Theres one just down the road. At the space and rocket center museum.
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That one might be a bit tough to buy, but hey, might give it a shot anyway.
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Here is a very impressive vid of reenactors firing a Civil War cannon with live explosive rounds. Turn up the sound:

https://youtu.be/jL1DkrYL70s

I would hate to have had to march into fire like that.
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On a whim, I made a lowball (relatively) bid on an Uzi...and won. Probably never shoot the thing, but it'll be a good investment.
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Mike OTDP wrote:On a whim, I made a lowball (relatively) bid on an Uzi...and won. Probably never shoot the thing, but it'll be a good investment.
Unless Hollis wins his case, anyway.
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Mike OTDP wrote:On a whim, I made a lowball (relatively) bid on an Uzi...and won. Probably never shoot the thing, but it'll be a good investment.
Pics man, pics!

And if it's already been shot, why not run a few mags through it?
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