Airguns for practice

[Yogimus]

Havent tried Co2 pistols. short unrifled barrels = sad panda. No velocity, 400 fps doesn't penetrate bird wings reliably.

[esa5444]

Interesting. This would be a pistol though, are they affected by the same issues? I remember trying the one Umarex CO2 gun, but I can't remember much about it specifically other than the goofy frame mounted safety that was screwing me up. It caused me to "die" at least once because the gun wouldn't fire; the safety dragged on the holster and engaged during the draw. Airsoft welts suck.

I used to have a C02 pistol I shot in the basement. Umarex as well, a visual copy of some Walther. I bought it because it has an 8 round rotary magazine (it works like a double action revolver) and my thinking was more shooting, less reloading. It worked pretty well, not particularly powerful of course, I think about 350 FPS. The CO2 cartridges were pretty cheap.

However, the goddamned thing cracked in half on me. Turns out the whole thing is made out of cast pot metal. It was advertised as "high quality made in Germany", but it was built like a POS from China. Definitely would not recommend.

[TheIrishman]

If you want a great Glock trainer, the SIRT pistol is supposed to be quite good

They make 2 SIRT pistols. The less expensive one has a "decent"(by glock standards) trigger. The more expensive one actually feels like tripping a glock trigger. What you don't have is any recoil on either. Glock(factory) triggers suck. Period. End Of Sentence.

The Sirt is a great dry fire trainer, and a really great "instruction" tool. Any decent GBB "airsoft" will serve better as a defensive training tool. At "Oh shit" distance, trigger pull becomes moot(imho). Being able to recover a sight picture after the slide moves is far more important.

[Aglifter]

I thought the cost difference was the different laser colors - wasn't aware that they didn't all have adjustable triggers.

I suppose air soft could help with sight tracking - the slide is so much slower, though - I've only recently been able to track the front sight on my carry guns - tracking the dot on my open gun is easy- I never had a problem tracking it on my air soft.

It could be a good way to show yourself what you should be doing, live fire, I suppose.

The laser bit appeals to me because I have that L-3 dry fire system - and, eventually, hope to but their laser based scenario trainer.

I'm sure air soft has lots of tactical training uses, though. I don't know if anyone makes one with a "realistic" trigger though.

[Highspeed]

However, the goddamned thing cracked in half on me. Turns out the whole thing is made out of cast pot metal. It was advertised as "high quality made in Germany", but it was built like a POS from China. Definitely would not recommend.

They are notorious for being unreliable. I refused to work on them because as soon as you fixed one thing another would break.
Cracking in half isn't unknown, but virtually anything else that can go wrong will.

The strongest CO2 pistol is the Baikal Makarov clone - it's actually a real Mak that is converted to CO2 at the factory. It's no great shakes when it comes to function though. Makes a good blunt instrument

[TheIrishman]

I thought the cost difference was the different laser colors - wasn't aware that they didn't all have adjustable triggers.

They all have adjustable triggers, but the "trainer" series has more adjust ability. I tripped the triggers on both at a gun show some time back, the $400+ gun is much more realistic. But at a price. The trainers are also the correct weight due to the metal vs polymer slide.

[HTRN]

Crosman 1377s are still available on Amazon for 40 bucks, ships free on Prime..

[JKosprey]

Crosman 1377s are still available on Amazon for 40 bucks, ships free on Prime..

Placed an order. Wanted one since I was 16, but for some reason never pulled the trigger. So to speak.

[Netpackrat]

Crosman 1377s are still available on Amazon for 40 bucks, ships free on Prime..

My dad had something that looked like that. It's probably still in the gun cabinet at my stepmom's house, but I don't think it works anymore. It worked well for conditioning the neighbors' dogs to stay out of our yard.

[HTRN]

Crosman 1377s are still available on Amazon for 40 bucks, ships free on Prime..

Placed an order. Wanted one since I was 16, but for some reason never pulled the trigger. So to speak.

Be warned - NYS considers any airgun over 600ft/sec as a firearm. NJ considers all airguns to be firearms.