Being a metric system kid... Imperial still has it's place.

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And a 2x4 isn't 2"x4". :roll:

I got pretty good at imperial/metric conversions, due to working on a lot of metric equipment in the printing/converting industry. We have to stock both imperial and metric fasteners, too, and keep wrench sets plus taps and dies in both. The machining can get confusing. Comprehending German tech bulletins that have been translated into clunky English is challenging at times, Japanese even moreso. You get a sense of engineering styles differing amongst various countries too. Germans seem to love taper pins.
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http://wondermark.com/868/ :lol:

It really should only be used for the scientific community, IMHO. It's bad enough that they force it down everyone's throat. Sure, it's nice to have a standard for trade and whatnot, but it is so damn difficult to visualize.

Though someone has put some thought into it.
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When I was a lad it ddn't make sense to me that wall studs were 16" apart, that seemed an odd number, until Dad explained that sheet rock came in 4x8 foot sheets, so no matter which way you hung it you had a stud at each end and at least one in the middle. It was a real light-bulb moment for me.

To get it back on topic, how is sheet stuff (sheet rock, plywood, etc) measured in metric-land? 1x2 meters? 2x? meters seems a little cumbersome, it would be a tight fit in a doorway.
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Well, that's an interesting one Mark - it's usually still an imperial size, just altered slightly so it lands on a round number in metric, and expressed in millimeters mostly.
So instead of an 8 foot by 4 foot sheet of plywood you'd get 2400 by 1200mm for example.

This often holds true for engineering materials - when buying in imperial you have to be careful it IS imperial and not the nearest metric equivalent ( if it's a critical dimension of course ) - what is called 1" stock might turn out to be 25mm instead of 25.4mm
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There are tons of examples of this and it's difficult to explain why,
Tons of examples, as opposed to metric tonnes? Sorry, this just made me snarf for some reason...

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How about gun licenses for guns with the calibers 5.6x15R and 10.2x22?
The licensing authorities actually wants the calibers in metric...
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Highspeed wrote:One of my pet hates though are engineering drawings in fractional inches.
The only time I've ever seen that, is with larger castings and forgings(IE, for the guys making the patterns and dies), because once you get past a certain size, it's easier to use a tape measure for a rough process.
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heh. I work in mils, uinches, microns and ounces (as a unit of thickness for plated metal and foils).
As a quality engineer and Apps Eng/technologist I act as a translator/linguist go-between for internal engineering customers and our suppliers. That makes it fun because:
a) My internal customers speak either mils or microns.
b) My suppliers speak mils and ounces if they're North American or microns if they're Asian.

Of course, my first (heart) measurement language is English units so I still naturally think/visualize mils. Ergo, my internal translator always passes through the English units for conversion and visualization.

I use analogies with internal customers daily to relate numbers to a physical item for reference. I keep an old mic on my desktop to use for object lessons.

Relating back to a physical reference item is almost always needed even with highly educated (but Metric-centric) engineers. They just can't visualize the scale we're talking about in mm and can't relate it to the reality of the challenge in the fab.
e.g. Q: how big is a 100um laser ablated hole?
A: About 4 mils.
Q: What's that "look like" for scale?
A: Well, a human hair is a ~ 5 mil diameter and 25 mils is one turn of a mic...
bingo, customer gets the visualization and groks the fab problem/solution being discussed.
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The first thing A&M's engineering school did was to teach the imperial system because it's based on the physical world.
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Erik wrote:How about gun licenses for guns with the calibers 5.6x15R and 10.2x22?
The licensing authorities actually wants the calibers in metric...
I'm going to guess those would be the .22LR and 10mm Auto here.
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