The Gun Counter

Clever--a guy makes an adapter to attach an oil filter to a threaded muzzle. The first shot drills the muzzle hole in the end of the filter can. The adapter is the licensed part, and costs $75. Works well, at least in the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haiqFcIX ... r_embedded

The biggest downside I see is needing some extra tall sights. Found via Say Uncle.

AFAIK, it's vaporware at the moment. This THR thread from February mentions it being on backorder over a year, with the speculation that BATFE is giving them grief over it - not surprising considering their stance that any part of a suppressor IS a suppressor.

I could have - when I was a licensed manufacturer - sold you a very basic can for $75 and just about broke even. Retail would have been $200 in the real world. Unless it was for a .22 rimfire, they ran at $100. Over barrel reflex style would cost more, integral more than that.

I doubt the economics are much different in the US, it seems to me like the whole suppressor business is a racket unless the manufacturers have some extra costs imposed by the government which I'm not aware of. Every time I see an episode of ' Sons of American Guns ' I think " You are charging how much ? for a tube with some washers in it ? "

And why the hell anyone would wish to screw an oil filter onto the end of a firearm simply boggles my mind

Highspeed wrote:I doubt the economics are much different in the US, it seems to me like the whole suppressor business is a racket unless the manufacturers have some extra costs imposed by the government which I'm not aware of. Every time I see an episode of ' Sons of American Guns ' I think " You are charging how much ? for a tube with some washers in it ?

$200 dollar tax stamp.

merll2005 wrote: $200 dollar tax stamp.

Surely that must be applied to the purchaser though, otherwise those guys would be losing $125 on every sale ?

Highspeed wrote:

merll2005 wrote: $200 dollar tax stamp.

Surely that must be applied to the purchaser though, otherwise those guys would be losing $125 on every sale ?

Missed that before. I thought it was $200 to manufacture and then less for a transfer. Someone who actually knows what they are talking about will be along shortly.

Now correct me if I am wrong, if I buy a complete suppressor that I can take apart to maintain, I cannot return any part of the suppressor for replacement and not incur a new $200 tax stamp.

How does the oil filter not become part of a suppressor in the eyes of the BATFE?

This looks like it is going to got the way of the Atkins Accelerator and be declared illegal.

merll2005 wrote:
Missed that before. I thought it was $200 to manufacture and then less for a transfer. Someone who actually knows what they are talking about will be along shortly.

Hell, I don't understand the procedure any more than you, I was just doing the math

Regarding suppressors in the UK you can get one at no tax cost at all, if you already have a firearms permit. The cops ( who run the licensing scheme ) are terrified of being sued by a shooter with hearing damage.
In a normal society the judge would say " then you should have worn hearing protection, case closed, I find for the defendant, now fuck off " but it doesn't work that way in our legal system.
You might call it an unintended consequence....suppressors are the norm rather than the exception

CByrneIV wrote:
Most modern suppressors are as fair bit more complicated than washers in a tube; though frankly there are astill a few folks selling stuff that simple.

The science and manufacturing of modern high db suppression (some as much as 38db suppression, which is pretty damn impressive) devices is actually pretty advanced, and pretty expensive.

C'mon bro, once you got the thing suppressed to the point where you no longer need hearing protection then I'd say 'enough'
Washers in a tube will do that, or monoblock ( not nearly so effective but easy to machine )
Let's face it, the ammo is supersonic - usually.

The special case would be full auto or really high rates of semi-auto fire, they would cause all kinds of havoc inside an improperly made suppressor. I wouldn't know about that though I never pushed the limits of my licence to build weapons in the UK

"Ear safe" is generally considered to be 130db - while this is no big deal with rimfires(I think pretty much all rimfire rifles can do this without a can), a centerfire is another story.

A good centerfire pistol can these days is over 30db of suppression. The Silencerco Sparrow, possibly the best rimfire can on the market right now, does 40db, and the new stainless core version is rated for full auto and 5.7mm use. It's so good, it's only something like 5db louder than a 10/22s action noise. Yes, it's 450 bucks(last I looked, anyway), but that means it's 650 dollars for the can, vs. 300 for a hypothetical 100 dollar washer&wipe can.

What I don't think Highspeed is getting is the compliance costs for a silencer business here are simply much higher - , the various fees/taxes/etc paid to the Feds, setting up as a business(Anybody who doesn't setup as a LLC or Corp proper is out of their mind considering the liability), renting/buying zoned space, etc. Then there's the opportunity cost for the customers - they have to fill out a form, get fingerprinted and get CLEO signoff(which the local LE dept may be uncooperative on), then wait anywhere from 2 to 6 months before you can find out IF you can buy it. People are not going to go through that hassle and expense for a can that only makes the gun a little bit quieter, so in the US at least, it becomes a marketplace for Formula 1s, rather than Chevy Cavaliers.