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evan price wrote:Really? I just pumped it tonight and I was angry at paying 4 bucks a gallon. At least you can still buy undyed K1, a lot of the places went to red dyed Kero, and they really put a a heck of a lot of dye in it, it's like cherry koolaid. That red dye gunks up my wicks in my heaters. Had more tar balls in my wicks while running that stuff than I ever had.
I just did some checking, and Jet A is running $5 plus in my area.

The red dye in kerosene is to keep diesel truck owners from using it. K1 kerosene runs just fine if you put a light lubricant in it for the fuel injector pumps; we used to put 2 qts of transmission fluid per 55 gal drum, roughly a 1:100 oil/fuel mix.

That red dye will seriously screw up Aladdin lamps, too. Useless trivia: the charcoal filters in US Army gas masks will remove it, IIRC.
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Termite wrote:
evan price wrote:Really? I just pumped it tonight and I was angry at paying 4 bucks a gallon. At least you can still buy undyed K1, a lot of the places went to red dyed Kero, and they really put a a heck of a lot of dye in it, it's like cherry koolaid. That red dye gunks up my wicks in my heaters. Had more tar balls in my wicks while running that stuff than I ever had.
I just did some checking, and Jet A is running $5 plus in my area.

The red dye in kerosene is to keep diesel truck owners from using it. K1 kerosene runs just fine if you put a light lubricant in it for the fuel injector pumps; we used to put 2 qts of transmission fluid per 55 gal drum, roughly a 1:100 oil/fuel mix.

That red dye will seriously screw up Aladdin lamps, too. Useless trivia: the charcoal filters in US Army gas masks will remove it, IIRC.

Yea, there's a lot of farmers who run dyed farm-use Diesel in their personal trucks which gets you a huge fine if caught. The DOT sometimes likes to stick your tanks when they do inspections. I know that at the American Quarter Horse Congress in Columbus they often have DOT inspectors at the line to get through the gate. Seems a lot of those horse breeders with the million dollar horses and $75,000 Diesel dually crew cabs wind up with dyed Diesel in their tanks somehow. Probably an accident I'm sure.

I may (or may not) know one good old boy who enjoys German Diesels who has yet to ever have his tank inspected. Seems the DOT suspects big pickups, but a Diesel Rabbit or Merc 300D just goes under their radar.

I've been adding auto trans fluid to my Diesel fuel since they started using that new low sulpher, low emissions Diesel fuel. The stuff is heck on injection pumps on older machinery, it's "dry" lubricity-wise. On the old mechanical stuff it needs some extra help. Plus it's a geat way to use up drained trans fluid. Pass it through a paper filter and screen out the crud, and add 1 pint to 6 gallons of low-emissions Diesel.
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rightisright wrote:
They don't pour worth a shit. However, you can turn them into an "old style" vented can that will pour well using an Ezpour spout and one of these vents, available on Ebay.
Aren't the threads on the new cans different than the old style?
I can only speak to the threads on the metal "Blitz" brand cans. The new ones are the same as the old ones, and the old spouts will fit the new cans. But, since the new cans lack the vent tube, they will not pour properly through the old spouts. My mod was to install a vent tube in the new cans in the original location, thus making the new can the same as the old one.

That being said, that design of metal fuel can (in either new or old versions) are totally inferior to the NATO style jerry cans. The threaded spouts and caps tend to leak like crazy, and the spouts especially are a PITA to tighten and loosen. And they don't pour as well as the NATO cans anyway.

As for plastic cans, I have mostly purged those from my life following a vehicle fueling incident where the threads just slipped past each other (nozzle was fully tightened on), and as the nozzle came off, gas went everywhere, including into one of my eyes. Ended up taking a trip to the emergency room to get it examined and flushed out better than I could do at home. Good thing it happened in my driveway instead of at the cabin. I dragged those out to the curb and set them next to my garbage can, and they were long gone before the garbage truck ever got there the next morning.

I only have a couple of the small 1.25 gallon plastic jugs left, and they will be going away once I can get some of the small metal cans.
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Since this has been dredged back up, I will note that I bought some of the 5 and 10 liter NATO style jerry cans last summer and they are awesome. I now own zero plastic fuel cans.
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I have several mil spec cans , although I tend to use the blue15 gal poly drums and a 12 volt transfer pump to feul up . Um issues with gas are age and breaking down dosent hold to long , diesel holdes longer but you still need a stabilizer . The 12 volt transfer pump s make life better imho.
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Zombie thread! Back from the dead!
But in this case, usually worth a re-visit.

F--- finding any decent retail containers for gasoline. If you find old metal Blitz cans, or good quality surplus metal NATO jerrycans, rock on with your bad self.

But any number of commercial distributors, like U-line, and a couple of others, sell containers used by industrial folks by the metric ton, including (if you want to pay for them) both regular steel 55 gallon drums, and even stainless steel ones, and in a range of sizes. The same ones used by Shell and Standard Oil since forever to transport and store POLs. Also the hand transfer pumps, spigots, and drum stands and dollies to make them really useful.

(If I'd known lawsuits and the EPA were going to drive Blitz out of business, I'd have bought a nice pair of those Blitz 15 gal. horizontal gas tanks with pump handles and hoses used to refuel jetskis, dirt bikes, snowmobiles, and the like for a quick doubling of vehicle range in a pinch in the back of my truck, but oh well.)

With diesel, as NPR said, PRI-D is the best way to go, if you want it to work 10 years from now.

For water, I go one of two ways: the heavy-duty .mil style 5 and 2.5 gal plastic jerrycans, and the 55 gal blue barrels.
They're pricey, but buy once, cry once, and the water - and the can itself - will still be there in a decade. If it doesn't bust your hump, swap it out every year or two, and pour the old stuff on a garden or planter. If it hasn't been improperly stored, it will still be water then too.

Avoid food containers used to store other items, because you generally never get that taste out.

And for pity sake, don't store the gas and kerosene within throwing distance of the POLs, unless you like diesel-flavored water.
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A acquaintance of mine is a big auction hound. He buys lots of those blue HDPE #2 food-grade 30 gallon barrels. According to him, they are used once to store powdered Gatorade. He sells them to me for $6. I store mylar bags of prep food in them. I'm sure if I sanitized them they would be fine for water storage.
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I still like a funnel. 5 - 5 gallon jugs bought 20 years ago for gas, rotated. I dust the shop with a leaf blower, chair saws, pressure washer, mower (minimal), generator, and we use that up over a year or so. One 55 gal steel drum with seafoam stablizer for diesel = tractor and truck. Two, 1500 gal, cisterns above ground with float valves keep them full - one for the house, one for the shop contain well water that can be drawn off with no pump needed. I now have 7, 55 gal plastic barrels that do not have any purpose as of yet just sitting out there MT.... They held stripper so they are not good for anything that is designated for human consumption. We could use them for fuel iffin we hadda bucket o muny.........
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Aesop wrote:(If I'd known lawsuits and the EPA were going to drive Blitz out of business, I'd have bought a nice pair of those Blitz 15 gal. horizontal gas tanks with pump handles and hoses used to refuel jetskis, dirt bikes, snowmobiles, and the like for a quick doubling of vehicle range in a pinch in the back of my truck, but oh well.)
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