BIT: DIY BP armor plate (update) rnd 2 test

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Re: BIT: layers of duct tape as BP armor

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moose42 wrote:The stickiness MIGHT help slow down a bullet... slightly in very thick layers.

I agree the redneck armor needs something in-between each layer.

OOOH I just got a bad idea. Do a layer, spray it with pickup truck bed-liner, and then another layer.
Redneck composites. I.... really wanna try that now. :lol:
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CByrneIV wrote:
Greg wrote:
moose42 wrote:The stickiness MIGHT help slow down a bullet... slightly in very thick layers.

I agree the redneck armor needs something in-between each layer.

OOOH I just got a bad idea. Do a layer, spray it with pickup truck bed-liner, and then another layer.
Redneck composites. I.... really wanna try that now. :lol:
Didn't that redneck scientist show do something like that all ready... Rocket City Rednecks?
No idea. I don't watch all that much tv. Though if anyone has any youtube links to something like this, I might watch. :)
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Re: BIT: layers of duct tape as BP armor

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was gonna do the tile thing, might still do it. Figure at least three layers of tile to reduce the likelihood of "push apart" penetration

Also gonna pick up some .093 thickness lexan - rumor is one layer will stop a .22 stinger so 3 layers might just stop 9mm or more.

at $13 for a 12x24in sheet it is definitely getting added to the redneck experiment.

$24 a quart for bedliner goo - might get some of that too.

Looks like the stepson and I will have a fun weekend. :mrgreen:
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Pictures and reportage appreciated!
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Man, I love this bar... :lol:
pick up some .093 thickness lexan
How about some FR4, or circuit board scrap? Too high a modulus to be of use?
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Enough bedliner/undercoating will work, but be careful.

(Anecdote from an OLD IPSC shooter.)

When it first got going, one of the usual requirements was to "skip" bullets under/around barricades, to hit targets on the other side. One of the shooters worked at a plant which made undercoating, and had a piece of steel to use, which was covered in a few inches of it - the bullets bounced right back, and hit the shooters - hard enough to bruise, not damage.
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Aglifter wrote:Enough bedliner/undercoating will work, but be careful.

(Anecdote from an OLD IPSC shooter.)

When it first got going, one of the usual requirements was to "skip" bullets under/around barricades, to hit targets on the other side. One of the shooters worked at a plant which made undercoating, and had a piece of steel to use, which was covered in a few inches of it - the bullets bounced right back, and hit the shooters - hard enough to bruise, not damage.
I have been working out, but I don't think my chest is quite to the muscle density of steel. :lol:

seriously though, I think "bounce" might be a good thing here.

This is evolving as we research and talk. We are gonna test some duct tape and lexan sandwiched as well as duct tape and tile.

I think the final test will be (from the external) duct tape and 4 inter-weaved layers of 1.5" ceramic tiles, followed by 3 layers of lexan interweaved with duct tape, followed by 1/8" steel plate and duct tape, followed by 1/2" layer of bedliner and duct tape.

not including the duct tape - this will be 3/4" of tile, 1/3" of lexan, 1/8 in steel and 1/2 inch of bed liner . . . so with duct tape I would guess about 2.25" thickness

Thought process:
ceramic is stacked like bricks to avoid penetration on a seam but also small tiles so a hit doesn't kill the entire plate and the duct tape will keep the bits somewhat in place and control sharding
The lexan is very good at shrapnel deterrence and does not shatter so will absorb quite a bit of momentum.
The steel plate is strong and should hopefully stop or greatly slow a deformed and tumbling bullet
The bed liner as the final layer would hopefully act as a final barrier against shards and act to spread the impact load over a much larger area.

I think 2.25" is a pretty good thickness. We will have to see what the weight is, but I think this will be quite a bit lighter than a steel plates used in vests now. Those weigh between 8 and 9 lbs per plate at 10x12 - pretty much the same for ceramic plates.
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Re: BIT: layers of duct tape as BP armor (update) rnd 1 tes

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The son got excited about doing this and went out and put together his own version during the week.
So of course we took it out and tested it.
Armor plate dimensions.v2.jpg
12 inches by 3/4 inch thick
Fiber glass construction before bedliner layer.2.jpg
how the layers of fiberglass were overlayed
spray bedliner material was used as opposed to normal fiberglass resin to hold them together
the cardboard was just to catch overspray
Layering was duct tape, fiberglass/bed liner, lexan wrapped in duct tape, fiberglass x 2/ bedliner, lexan wrapped in duct tape, fiberglass/ bedliner with the entire thing wrapped in 2 more layers of duct tape.
Armor plate strike face.v2.jpg
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We first tried the .22lr from my Ruger Mark III with Blazer lead bullets
Ruger 22lr.v2.jpg
second we tried the Kel tec P3AT with Hornady Critical Defense
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The only bullet that was recovered was the Hornady critical defense as seen here.

The .22 blew right through and punctured a water jug then exited at a 90 degree angle from the entry point. Exit point at right in the picture.
The .380 barely opened and literally had enough energy to push out of the barrier but not penetrate the water jug.

All shots taken from 5 yards.

380 damage and bullet.v3.jpg
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