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Rem 870 Masterthread: Which model, accessories, why?

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:26 am
by workinwifdakids
Say I told you I'd buy you a Remington 870, and that you could choose any model, accessories, and gunsmithing (mods) for free, what would you choose? I'd like you to chime in with any of it. If you have an opinion on an 870 model or how to make it better, I want to know about it! Better yet, if you know of a common model, accessory, or modification you dislike, let me know - and state reasons for it, even if it just doesn't suit your personal taste.

By the way, the Remington site lists roughly 30 different models, and that doesn't include aftermarket work.

And for the entertainment value, no - the Remington 1740 doesn't count.
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Re: Rem 870 Masterthread: Which model, accessories, why?

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:20 am
by Aesop
Remington Express combo, with both the short anti-social barrel, and a 28" with Rem-chokes.
Replace the 20" shorty with bead, for a 20" "Deer" barrel with rifle sights.

If someone wants to get the home defense version with the 2-shot extension magazine, I wouldn't quibble, but you lose the ability to easily use it for anything from two-legged predators to dove, quail, ducks, or clay pigeons.
If you add your own extension tube, get the clamp that anchors it to the barrel for additional stability. If you doink it out of place, you now have a pump action jam-a-matic. Personally, unless I'm expecting hordes of zombie walkers, 5 rounds is plenty to get the job done. If in doubt, don't grab the shotgun in the first place, grab a rifle that takes magazines.

Leave the wood stock right where it is. If, God forbid, you end up in court some day, it looks a mite less scary than ninja-black plastic with evil doodads.
Replace the foreend with something grippy; personal fave was the old Pachmayr Vindicator front end, because there's nothing close to better when your hands are wet or sweaty, but since Lyman bought Pachmayr out, the fucktard geniuses stopped making it, because smarter than our customers.

Pull out the craptastic plastic shell follower it has traditionally come with as factory-fresh, and replace it with any number of far better ones, ideally in a hi-viz color so you can tell at a glance that the tube is empty, and so it won't hang up in feeding or let the spring tangle up, unlike the tendency of the factory piece of crap.

If you're really motivated, replace the trigger guard safety with a larger one, and if you can get your hands on a metal trigger guard which they put on the law enforcement models (and used to put on all 870 models before Remington went all apeshit with swapping in cheap-ass plastic parts) rock on with that. (You may want semi-pro or actual gunsmith assistance with making that last swap).

Swap the mag cap for one with a sling swivel mount, add a swivel base to the butt if it hasn't got it, and get a wide sling and a pair of QD swivels so you can add or remove a good carry sling as necessary.

I'm not a big fan of sidesaddle or buttstock shell holders, as if you need to use the thing around cover with your weak hand, they'll do a nice job of effing up your moviestar looks. Ghost ring sights are over-rated and over-priced, but either a fancy tritium front sight insert, or at minimum, 10 cents worth of glow-in-the-dark paint from the craft store on the front and rear sights are beyond value when you suddenly need to grab the thing at 0-dark-thirty because of a noise downstairs or outside.
I prefer a separate light rather than any of the pricey foreend lights, because they're invariably dead the minute you need them. Especially when a separate LED light can be had for only $5 at Horror Freight, and I usually lose them before I ever manage to kill a set of batteries.

That's about it.
I have one as a truck gun with a folding stock, but only because I can store it more compactly and unobtrusively in a locked tool bin. The only way to shoot them is with the stock unfolded, not with just the pistol grip, especially if you use anything heavier than standard loads, unless you're a masochist.

Add something to carry extra ammo, whether a purpose-made 12 round or more pouch, a shell sling or bandoleer, or simply an old Alice canvas buttpack with a GP strap, and you've got a way to carry all the spare ammo you need for trap and skeet, sporting clays, or any serious riot, at all three of which mine set up exactly that way has been present for duty.

Your best friend for home add-ons is the Brownell's 870-specific catalog, and if there's something you want that isn't there, you probably don't need it.

Ask a decent local gunsmith what parts they'd recommend for spares that you can replace, but at minimum, I'd have spares of the mag ratchet cap, mag spring, and shell follower, as they're cheap and easy to replace in about a minute yourself, but without any one of them, the gun is tits up except as a single shot.

That's what works for me.
But the true beauty of the weapon is that, like the AR-15 platform, it's a Lego weapon that has become so standard you can buy a metric fuckton of add-on or swap-out parts and make it into anything you want (as I'm sure the next 5 or 20 replies will amply demonstrate).
The only thing keeping the gun from being absolute perfection on earth is that they haven't moved the safety from the trigger guard to the top tang, where it belongs.
As long as the barrel is over 18" and it's >26" overall, the BATFE and the local constables don't get pissy.

Re: Rem 870 Masterthread: Which model, accessories, why?

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:24 am
by Netpackrat
What Aesop describes in the first two lines is basically what I have, although mine is a Wingmaster and I added the 20" rifle sight barrel later. It is old enough to not have the mag tube dimples to prevent magazine extensions, which I also have to go with it. I'll never make any other mods to it, because it was a gift from my father, and as nice as the wood and metal finish are, it would be a crime. Likewise I have replaced it for home defense duties because I wouldn't want to risk losing it. I may use it to shoot birds again at some point, but I'm a horrible wing shot, so maybe not.

If I were to set up another 870 for defensive use, it would probably end up looking a lot like the Winchester Defender I set up a couple years ago. Except I wouldn't need to fabricate my own stock/pistol grip adapter, because Ace makes one that is ready to go. I'd use my own stock and the same push-button folding mechanism, and probably a similar rubber foregrip and light mount.

Re: Rem 870 Masterthread: Which model, accessories, why?

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:26 am
by PawPaw
Mine looks like this:

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I follow the KISS principle in duty weapons, keep it as simple as possible. Mine has the 20" smoothbore deer barrel with rifle sights and Rem Choke. I carry the modified tube, simply because it shoots slugs so well, and has a really nice pattern with buckshot. The only mods I made to it was to install a 5-round butt cuff and a carry strap. It's ridden with me for many years and done yeoman duty as the trunk gun over many assignments.

I'm not a fan of magazine extensions. Had one on it for a while, but took it off because I didn't lke the balance of the gun.

A buddy of mine, a retired state trooper, has an 870 Express Compact in 20 gauge. He claims that it suits him much more than the standard police model that he carried all those years. It's the bomb for upland game, and with a butt cuff and buckshot, perfectly suitable for serious social work. I may have to pick one up, simply because I'm such a fan of the 20 gauge.

Re: Rem 870 Masterthread: Which model, accessories, why?

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:37 pm
by Precision
PawPaw wrote:Mine looks like this:

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mine looks like that too, except for the sling. I need to get a new mag cap that has a sling swivel, then mine will look almost exactly like that.

I run five #4 buck for indoor social work, then on the side mount i have three 00 buck bracketed by a slug on each end. Ten round of social clearance with the ability to immediately adjust shot choice with a manual reload is awesome. I guess I should state this is my closet gun. If I leave the bedroom to investigate a bump in the night and it goes sideways, the wife is to barricade and blast anything that opens the door with the #4 buck.
She is not trained on the reload aspect. Something I plan to rectify, but slow is better. She is unwilling to get into defensive prep all at once, but she used to be opposed to personal carry. She purse carries all the time. So baby steps.

mine is the 870 express and is limited to 2.75". To do it again I would go for the ability to consume 2.75 and 3" shells. Not that 2.75 won't do the job, just more options are better.

Re: Rem 870 Masterthread: Which model, accessories, why?

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:44 pm
by PawPaw
Rather than a magazine cap with a sling adapter, I went with a Scattergun Technoloty adapter that goes under the magazine cap. It looks like this.

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Linky to Brownell's part number.

Re: Rem 870 Masterthread: Which model, accessories, why?

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:48 pm
by Langenator
If you do feel like going with the extended mag tube (with clamp), I highly recommend extension from Nordic Components, along with a clamp from same.

NC makes extension for pretty much all of the more popular shotguns, and they're used by almost every 3-gunner who has an extended tube. Their mag clamp can also be bought with short sections of Pic rails, for attaching sling points, lights, or whatever.

I know it's quite 'mall ninja' looking, but I'm thinking seriously about putting a Magpul foreend on the 870 I use for 3-gun (He-Man division requires a 12ga pump) after I jammed my hand between the pump and the receiver once while running fast. Ouchie.

One thing to keep in mind with clamps is that, unless you put them in the same place and tighten them the exact same amount, every time you take it off and put it back on, it will shift your impact point when shooting slugs.

Re: Rem 870 Masterthread: Which model, accessories, why?

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:01 pm
by Aesop
Precision wrote:mine is the 870 express and is limited to 2.75".
Really? Sure about that?
My first one was an 1989 or so vintage, and they've always been chambered for 2 3/4" standard and 3" magnum shells.
IIRC, Rem. stopped making 2 3/4"-only 870s before they introduced the Express in the first place.
If your serial number ends with an "M" (or later), it should chamber 3" shells just fine.
Unless your chamber needs a really good cleaning.
(Only the ones labeled "Express Super Magnum" will handle the newer 3 1/2" shells though.)

Re: Rem 870 Masterthread: Which model, accessories, why?

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:08 pm
by workinwifdakids
Aesop wrote:
Precision wrote:mine is the 870 express and is limited to 2.75".
Really? Sure about that?
My first one was an 1989 or so vintage, and they've always been chambered for 2 3/4" standard and 3" magnum shells.
I have the Remington Express Magnum (serial ending in "M"), and the barrel is stamped to allow 2 3/4" or 3" shells. I did notice something interesting on another forum when I was doing research: the barrel is stamped, but the receiver may not be. Because barrels on 870s are often (if not always?) interchangeable, Aesop's suggestion to check the serial number is wise. Unless you're positive your barrel hasn't been swapped, check the serial number and make sure. If you're using 2 3/4" shells when you could be using that and 3" both, you're clearly no worse for wear. The other way around? There are engineers and medical folk here who can give you a better worst-case scenario than I can.

Re: Rem 870 Masterthread: Which model, accessories, why?

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:27 pm
by workinwifdakids
Langenator wrote:If you do feel like going with the extended mag tube (with clamp), I highly recommend extension from Nordic Components, along with a clamp from same.
Interesting advice. I'll look them up. Between Nordic, Remington's OEM, and GG&G's, I'm not sure which to get.
Langenator wrote:I know it's quite 'mall ninja' looking, but I'm thinking seriously about putting a Magpul foreend on the 870 I use...
I've been pondering a Magpul stock for one. It's like a mall ninja cut the handle off a boat paddle and glued the paddle end to the receiver. But I am not kidding when I say it was the most comfortable shotgun with the best length of pull I've ever held.