"Medium bore, moderate velocity"

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Re: "Medium bore, moderate velocity"

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HTRN wrote:For real increases in hardness you have to add Antimony. Problem is, Antimony has a stupid high melting point, so you can't just add it.
I find that 90% wheel weight, 10% linotype does fine; waterdrop for extra hardness, use a gas check for higher pressure.

Thing is, if you get TOO hard, the bullets will shatter on heavy bone.
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Re: "Medium bore, moderate velocity"

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WW falls into 2 category's: clip on and stick on. The stick on ones are basically pure lead(and that's why I sort them out). The Clip on ones are usually have 2 percent antimony and half a percent of tin. So to make it harder, you have to add Antimony. Here's the thing, if you have to buy it, it's nearly the same price as the Super Hard, for less than half the Antimony. Not to mention, the increased shipping cost.

The other problem I think he's gonna run into, is that tumble lube bullet. I don't think Alox is that great, especially at velocities over 2k fps.

If he wants something commercial, I recommend Carnauba Red. If you want to try something homebrew, "Ben's Red" has a good reputation.
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Re: "Medium bore, moderate velocity"

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I normally use liquid Alox, cut 50/50 with mineral spirits for cast bullets. Would the solid stuff work better? I'm NOT buying a lubri-sizer, so everything has to be tumble-lubed, or using a pan and cake cutter. Can I use some of the harder lubes that way?

Oh, and this is probably a stupid question, but am I going to need to keep my alloys separate, or can I use the rifle-bullet alloy for pistols? (Probably not, huh?)
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First Shirt wrote:I normally use liquid Alox, cut 50/50 with mineral spirits for cast bullets. Would the solid stuff work better? I'm NOT buying a lubri-sizer, so everything has to be tumble-lubed, or using a pan and cake cutter. Can I use some of the harder lubes that way?

Oh, and this is probably a stupid question, but am I going to need to keep my alloys separate, or can I use the rifle-bullet alloy for pistols? (Probably not, huh?)
For ~2000 fps, double-lube with Alox. Lube after casting, let dry. Install gas checks while sizing, lube again. That's proven sufficient for my cast bullet shooting.
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That's a relief! I was afraid that this was going to turn into one of those projects where you spend so much time getting everything together that you don't have time to do anything with it.
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Honestly? Pan lubing and using a press mounted sizer die works good. The downside is it's slow compared to a lubrizer, especially a Star. The upside is you don't have to worry about punches and it's much much cheaper. Also, most of the presses really don't like long bullets, so it makes an ideal method for Postells and VLDs.
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Great!!! That will save some space on the bench, as well as provide something to keep The Minions involved. (Hey, most of this stuff is for their guns anyway, why should I have to do all the work when I have minions?)
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Something to keep in mind - Lee will make custom sizes for a little more money, 34 bucks IIRC. This is important, because alot of their stock sizes are less than useful(.457, but no .459 WTF?!), so don't despair if you don't see what you need listed. Also, ideally you should be sizing about a thousandth over groove diameter, so you have a good gas seal. If you're not sure about it, use some cerrosafe and take some measurements.
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HTRN wrote:358 Winchester can be had in bolt actions.

As can a relatively new cartridge - 338 Federal. Both are essentially 308 Winchesters necked up.
It's only a month later, but this finally registered. After checking to make sure I wasn't completely 'round the bend, seems that I can rebarrel The Minions' rifles in either of these calibers in about 45 seconds. All it takes is a barrel vice (which I have), a barrel nut wrench (which I have), a set of go/no-go headspace gauges (got those, too), and the appropriate barrel.

Won't even have to change magazines!

I hate to admit this, but you're a pretty smart guy! Thanks!!

(I may get out of this cheaper than I thought!!! Barrels and reloading dies should be lots cheaper than whole 'nother guns.)
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Re: "Medium bore, moderate velocity"

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First Shirt wrote:(I may get out of this cheaper than I thought!!! Barrels and reloading dies should be lots cheaper than whole 'nother guns.)
Wohoo!
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