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Steamforger wrote:I'm watching a documentary on Netflix about the '48 Arab-Israeli war and the creation of the Israeli Air Force through a volunteer group and a lot of smuggling. I've seen at least 2 Chauchats in footage. Interesting to note they were still in use by nearly 1950.
They used anything they could get. *Anything*. Which often meant German-pattern gear, as there was surplus available, and factories in former German-occupied countries set up to make the stuff. (Like the Czech Messerschmitts.)
Hell, according to Herman Wouk, in the early 60s, they were still using Sherman tanks and Mustangs.
In combat against the Arab armies, the M-51 proved itself capable of fighting newer, heavier tanks like the Soviet-built T-54/55/T-62. The M-51's 105 mm gun could penetrate these adversaries using HEAT ammunition. The M-51 served well during its time, and is regarded as an excellent example of how an obsolete tank (the Sherman) can be upgraded beyond the limits of its original capabilities.
Greg wrote:
They used anything they could get. *Anything*. Which often meant German-pattern gear, as there was surplus available, and factories in former German-occupied countries set up to make the stuff. (Like the Czech Messerschmitts.)
Hell, according to Herman Wouk, in the early 60s, they were still using Sherman tanks and Mustangs.
In combat against the Arab armies, the M-51 proved itself capable of fighting newer, heavier tanks like the Soviet-built T-54/55/T-62. The M-51's 105 mm gun could penetrate these adversaries using HEAT ammunition. The M-51 served well during its time, and is regarded as an excellent example of how an obsolete tank (the Sherman) can be upgraded beyond the limits of its original capabilities.
I've seen photos of Mk IV panzers being used by Iraq against Iran in the 80's (I have no idea how effective they were or were not). Apparently they were buying them from the Soviets.
In combat against the Arab armies, the M-51 proved itself capable of fighting newer, heavier tanks like the Soviet-built T-54/55/T-62. The M-51's 105 mm gun could penetrate these adversaries using HEAT ammunition. The M-51 served well during its time, and is regarded as an excellent example of how an obsolete tank (the Sherman) can be upgraded beyond the limits of its original capabilities.
I've seen photos of Mk IV panzers being used by Iraq against Iran in the 80's (I have no idea how effective they were or were not). Apparently they were buying them from the Soviets.
Syria used a bunch of Mk IV panzers and StG III's that were apparently going cheap from their new owners, that wound up captured again. (IIRC, you can find examples in the Israeli armor museum.)
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Steamforger wrote:I'm watching a documentary on Netflix about the '48 Arab-Israeli war and the creation of the Israeli Air Force through a volunteer group and a lot of smuggling. I've seen at least 2 Chauchats in footage. Interesting to note they were still in use by nearly 1950.
They used anything they could get. *Anything*. Which often meant German-pattern gear, as there was surplus available, and factories in former German-occupied countries set up to make the stuff. (Like the Czech Messerschmitts.)
Hell, according to Herman Wouk, in the early 60s, they were still using Sherman tanks and Mustangs.
If you could field and maintain a bunch of P-51s and Shermans on one of the "lesser" continents, you would be a strong regional power today.
JAG2955 wrote:If you could field and maintain a bunch of P-51s and Shermans on one of the "lesser" continents, you would be a strong regional power today.
JAG2955 wrote:If you could field and maintain a bunch of P-51s and Shermans on one of the "lesser" continents, you would be a strong regional power today.
McMurdo Station wouldn't stand a chance.
The wintering over party, and I do mean party, is too busy having an orgy to be bothered by your schenanigans.
