Two point sling.

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D5CAV
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Re: Two point sling.

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JAG2955 wrote:Here's a good reference guide: Loop sling
That's the way to use the sling if you are at a high power rifle match, however, I find this sling method too slow to use in hunting or other situations.

http://artoftherifleblog.com/using-the- ... sling.html

I use the hasty sling described above by the guy in the zombie mask. I find the "ultra hasty sling" that he also shows to be too unstable. I can get into a hasty sling about as fast as I can mount my rifle, so no need to use another method.

Tactical slings just slow me down.
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Re: Two point sling.

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My US$0.02:

1-point sling? Work of the Devil + bruised nuts.

Hasty sling in a standing or standing-offhand position? Same, minus the bruised nuts. Ignore the sling, and use the time saved for getting your position and breathing right.

Need to sling up in a hurry for a shot from crouching, kneeling, seated or prone? Use a Safari Ching Sling or a Latigo sling. If you have a convenient rest for the support-side arm, don't sling up, but just grab the sling close to the front swivel like a vertical foregrip.
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Re: Two point sling.

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I use single point slings at times, the gun rides off the point of my strong side hip.

I put a Magpul convertible sling on the DD carbine, goes from one to two point. I like it.
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Re: Two point sling.

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D5CAV wrote:
JAG2955 wrote:Here's a good reference guide: Loop sling
That's the way to use the sling if you are at a high power rifle match, however, I find this sling method too slow to use in hunting or other situations.

http://artoftherifleblog.com/using-the- ... sling.html

I use the hasty sling described above by the guy in the zombie mask. I find the "ultra hasty sling" that he also shows to be too unstable. I can get into a hasty sling about as fast as I can mount my rifle, so no need to use another method.

Tactical slings just slow me down.
WWI soldiers, and I'm sure others, I'm just thinking of "Fix Bayonets!", commonly used a loop sling to engage their targets. If you keep the clip end "rigged", all you have to do is pull it off and slip your arm through. Mark the length of the sling you have pulled through the keeper for sitting and prone. I mark the outside of the sling with a line, and the inside (the part through the keeper) with a line with an S for standing, and a P for prone. Just line up the master line on the outside with your S or P line on the inside, clip the keeper, and then assume your loop sling and get into position.

A modern two-point sling like the Vickers or similar is infinitely better at 99% of all situations than the old two point sling. If you or anyone has doubts about using it, I will see if I can find in my teaching files the lesson on the Vickers sling. You can get just as much support out of it for shooting as you can a loop or hasty sling (in fact, you can use it as a hasty if you feel like it). It's all about the adjustment that you make in the beginning, prior to ever moving the slider.
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Re: Two point sling.

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I'm a big fan of Andy Langlois's Rhodesian sling. ( http://www.andysleather.com/ ) Both of the Senior Minions and I use one. And I'm getting one for the junior minion when she moves up. (Provided that I can adjust it small enough!)
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Re: Two point sling.

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There are two primary uses for a sling:
Providing stabilization for aimed fire.
Keeping your weapon on your body when your hands are busy.

I've used, in the .mil and busting the brush on the border, one-, two-, and three point slings.
My observations, purely my own:
A one-point sling is tacticool, and functionally worthless.
In the .mil, I had three two-point slings, all for the M-16 platform:
one for parade/inspections
one pre-adjusted for rifle range quals
one everyday to sling my weapon, drag in the dirt, etc.
Whenever possible and no one was looking/griping, I removed the everyday sling and simply carried the weapon, which proved ideal.

On the border, I fiddled with every permutation, for Mini-14s, M1A, and AR platforms, amongst others.
I have settled on a QD two-point sling, which I detach 99% of the time to carry my weapon with my paws, as God and Chesty Puller intended. Period.
I have never seen the day I couldn't hold even an empty or malfunctioning rifle, and draw a second weapon with my strong hand.
(Obviously, I haven't been shot in either arm, which is the only notable flaw there, but at that point, any sling is going to make fuck-all difference either, right?)

If I'm not stabilizing my prone position marksmanship, or climbing a cliff face on rappel, a sling is mainly a good way to get tangled in brush and brambles, trip you, or pound the butt into your nuts or the muzzle into your face without any concern for your welfare.
Other than as a basic transport aid, their main function seems to be to amuse your companions with your predicaments.

Take the damn things off unless you actually need them at the moment.

YMMV. 8-)
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D5CAV wrote:
JAG2955 wrote:Here's a good reference guide: Loop sling
That's the way to use the sling if you are at a high power rifle match, however, I find this sling method too slow to use in hunting or other situations.

http://artoftherifleblog.com/using-the- ... sling.html

I use the hasty sling described above by the guy in the zombie mask. I find the "ultra hasty sling" that he also shows to be too unstable. I can get into a hasty sling about as fast as I can mount my rifle, so no need to use another method.

Tactical slings just slow me down.
It's that easy? Apparently I taught myself the hasty sling technique when I was 8 or 9 with a large umbrella.
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Denis wrote:Need to sling up in a hurry for a shot from crouching, kneeling, seated or prone? Use a Safari Ching Sling or a Latigo sling. If you have a convenient rest for the support-side arm, don't sling up, but just grab the sling close to the front swivel like a vertical foregrip.
My friend with the VEPR took a tactical rifle class a year ago, and they criticised his Latigo Sling because it wasn't a tactical sling. Sounds like he still out-shot all of the AR wielding students.
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Re: Two point sling.

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I remember a line from the book Bravo Two Zero where McNabb says they never used slings because it took the rifle out of your hands and put it onto your back - where it was needed least, or something go that effect... I can go from slung to shoulder damn smooth and quick with a two point, but his statement is probably valid if you're full on HSLD.
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Re: Two point sling.

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Been meaning to drill some with the muzzle down safari style carry and see if I can reliably get it into hasty sling position as advertised.
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