Caliber Failure

[1911Man]

Soup,

Some (maybe most) of the .40 frames are too light for 10mm. A few might be tough enough to take it. Frame failures are why the FBI went from 10mm S&W pistols to Glocks in .40 S&W.

In the proper platform, 10mm is a highly useful round.

[1911Man]

WRT the topic, I told my mother to empty the pistol if she ever needs to shoot someone. I also told her that the rifle is choice #1.

I sometimes carry a .380 for backup. The trick is to aim for soft, fleshy spots and empty the magazine. Don't stop until the goblin is no longer moving.

[mekender]

Yeah, I tried to find some over the counter adrenaline at teh local supermarket. The pharmacist just shrugged and said they were running low on account of the recent hurricane.

should have asked for epinephrine... basically the same thing

[Angus Lincoln]

oops, wrong thread

[Combat Controller]

Hmm. Sounds like a call to start hot-loading .40 S&W at the factory. Unless, of course, someone can start retrofitting a lot of handguns for 10mm.

Or you could just carry a 10mm...

[Whirlibird]

Soup,

Some (maybe most) of the .40 frames are too light for 10mm. A few might be tough enough to take it. Frame failures are why the FBI went from 10mm S&W pistols to Glocks in .40 S&W.

In the proper platform, 10mm is a highly useful round.

Actually it's not just the frames that are too light for the 10mm, the barrels are not thick enough to contain the added pressures (though it's only an extra 2500psi).
The thinnest 10mm barrel (Glock) has a chamber wall thickness of .100", the .40 caliber version is a full 20% thinner at .080". The XD, Sigma's, SW-99 and P-99's are all the same thickness.
And it was more than the frame failure issue, the inability of certain small handed agents to handle the large 10-series weapons had quite a bit to do with it.
My original 1076 has a whole mess of full powered loads through it and no frame failure but it has had the "return and refit" of the guts that was required.

The 10mm is an entirely useful cartridge and it downloads to make a great .40 but not vice versa. (If you must)

[SoupOrMan]

Hmm. Sounds like a call to start hot-loading .40 S&W at the factory. Unless, of course, someone can start retrofitting a lot of handguns for 10mm.

Or you could just carry a 10mm...

You could, but I'm trying to use police department purchasing section reasoning. What's the cheapest thing we can do to, er, for the patrol officers? Hot loading or retrofitting is about it. If retrofits won't work, then a hotter round is the cheaper route. I'm sure they'd also look at .357 Sig as well.

[Steamforger]

Hmm. Sounds like a call to start hot-loading .40 S&W at the factory. Unless, of course, someone can start retrofitting a lot of handguns for 10mm.

Or you could just carry a 10mm...

Because, as I understand it, .40 S&W is already loaded to the upper limits of what the platform can handle. 38,000-ish PSI compared to 9mm and .45 ACp's 18-20,000-ish PSI I what I'm recalling.

[DougWojtowicz]

It's called a handgun, not a death ray.

The Army determined that a man with his heart destroyed by a .30-06 rifle still has enough oxygen in his blood to fight for another thirty seconds. If the grand '06 can't finish the job with a direct heart shot, then a mere handgun, even .45 ACP, just is not gonna do it, let alone a .40.

[Weetabix]

Maybe this guy had no heart. I did like the mullet, though.

As mentioned above, they needed to shoot the front of the mullet. Don't direct head shots stop the attack 100% of the time whether they kill or not?