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‘Run and hide’ is Obama clever plan for next school shooting

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:08 am
by 308Mike
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‘Run and hide’ is Obama administration’s clever plan for next school shooting
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In response to the Newtown, Conn. massacre and a host of school shootings in recent years, the Obama administration released a 67-page report on emergency planning this summer that includes several pages advising educators on how to manage “an active shooter situation.”

The U.S. Department of Education’s “live-shooter” section doesn’t recommend that schools arm teachers or employ armed guards. It doesn’t even advise schools to add door locks for classrooms.

Instead, the section counsels teachers and students to “run,” “hide” and then “fight”—but only “if neither running nor hiding is a safe option.”

Arne Duncan, the Secretary of Education and the uppermost name on the report, does not explain how this guidance differs from the very unsuccessful actions attempted by the 26 victims of Adam Lanza, the lone gunman who attacked Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Twenty of those victims were children who were six and seven years old.

As students across the nation head back to school this fall, administrators are trying to put systems in place to keep students safe in the event of another gunman running amok on campus.

A number of principals in the Los Angeles Unified School District participated in “live-shooter training” this summer, reports the Los Angeles Daily News. They will transmit what they learned in the training with teachers in the next few weeks.

What did they learn? That’s some kind of closely-held secret, apparently. Steve Zipperman, a retired LAPD captain who now runs the LAUSD police force, would only tell the Daily News that school officials have been trained in “how to decide in the moment how to save as many lives as possible” when “a traditional lockdown may not be the most appropriate decision.”

Zipperman also suggested that he disagrees with some of the Department of Education’s recommendations because, he asserts, they won’t work in K-12 settings. However, he did not elaborate further.

Judith Perez, president of Associated Administrators of Los Angeles, noted that Los Angeles Unified must now decide if it’s going to install locks on classroom doors that lock from inside each classroom, noted the Daily News.

The Department of Education’s “run-and-hide” recommendations go into substantial detail about proper form when running and hiding from someone with a loaded gun.

“The first course of action that should be taken is to run out of the building and far away until you are in a safe location,” the Obama administration document suggests.

“Leave personal belongings behind,” it helpfully adds. “Avoid escalators and elevators.”

If students can’t run, the Department of Education suggests that they “hide” instead “in as safe a place as possible.” Students should “silence all electronic devices” and “remain silent.”

The “live-shooter” section advises fighting a shooter only as a last resort, with fire extinguishers, perhaps, or chairs.

The “live-shooter” section of the report notes that “victims stopped the attacker themselves in 16 instances” — out of the 41 studied — in which some wacko or group of wackos was attacking people. “In 13 of those cases they physically subdued the attacker.”

The report does not say how many, if any, attempts were made to stop the attack in the remaining 25 incidents, or how many of those attempts failed.

The Obama administration report also takes pains to clarify that school employees have no duty whatsoever to physically protect students in the event of a school shooting.

“To be clear, confronting an active shooter should never be a requirement in any school employee’s job description,” it states emphatically.

Re: ‘Run and hide’ is Obama clever plan for next school shoo

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:41 am
by Steamforger
The “live-shooter” section advises fighting a shooter only as a last resort, with fire extinguishers, perhaps, or chairs.
The logical disconnect....it burns.

Re: ‘Run and hide’ is Obama clever plan for next school shoo

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:06 pm
by Dub_James
Hasn't "run and hide" (with emphasis on the hide) been the SOP for, I don't know, most of the last few massacres?

:roll:

Re: ‘Run and hide’ is Obama clever plan for next school shoo

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:59 pm
by Gunnuts
Dub_James wrote:Hasn't "run and hide" (with emphasis on the hide) been the SOP for, I don't know, most of the last few massacres?

:roll:
Ah, the "let's make it sporting but not too sporting for them" defense.

+1

Re: ‘Run and hide’ is Obama clever plan for next school shoo

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:07 pm
by Yogimus
"Run and Hide" is pretty effective advice. Of course because Obama said it, we all get pantywads over it. Another way to put this strategy: GET OFF THE X/GET OUT OF THE KILL ZONE. YOU can tell your kids to kung fu grapple with the gunman, I am letting my family know that NOTHING GOOD ever happens when you hear gunshots in a public area. Head the other way.

Re: ‘Run and hide’ is Obama clever plan for next school shoo

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:14 pm
by Aesop
"Run and hide" has been the strategy for millenia, it's just generally applied to animals without opposable thumbs.
Unmentioned is the tactic's reliance on police response, which ranges from spotty to effectively non-existant.
For the record, the average body count when the police show up is >14.
The average body count when armed citizens respond is >2.

So all this is is Hopey Dopey's minions announcing publicly that they're so umbilically tied to being anti-gun, they're willing and enthusiastic about sacrificing those other twelve victims, time after time in perpetuity, rather than admit they have their heads up their asses.

Which, as usual, is really all you needed to know about the official policy.

Re: ‘Run and hide’ is Obama clever plan for next school shoo

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:53 pm
by Dub_James
Yogimus wrote:"Run and Hide" is pretty effective advice. Of course because Obama said it, we all get pantywads over it. Another way to put this strategy: GET OFF THE X/GET OUT OF THE KILL ZONE. YOU can tell your kids to kung fu grapple with the gunman, I am letting my family know that NOTHING GOOD ever happens when you hear gunshots in a public area. Head the other way.
Running's fine, it's the hiding in a building with mainly large open rooms and long corridors, from someone who knows the location as well as you do that's suspect.

Re: ‘Run and hide’ is Obama clever plan for next school shoo

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:57 pm
by Yogimus
What would you recommend for a 12 year old to do?

Re: ‘Run and hide’ is Obama clever plan for next school shoo

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:17 pm
by Dub_James
Yogimus wrote:What would you recommend for a 12 year old to do?
Run and exit. Then keep running. Same thing you'd do for a fire.

Re: ‘Run and hide’ is Obama clever plan for next school shoo

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:48 am
by randy
Yogimus wrote:What would you recommend for a 12 year old to do?
What I've been recommending to my now 16 year old for years.

Use YOUR best judgement on whether to run, hide, or fight. Don't rely on the staff or teachers.

I trust none of her teachers (nice folks that they are) to be able to make a clear judgement on that score. Most don't have any real training, and none of them I've met have any tactical senses at all.

Run and get out of the building any way possible (including breaking windows) even if the staff insist on hunkering down, if the situation allows it (i.e. don't run toward the sound of the gunfire).

If hide is the best option, pick spots for YOU to hide in, as unlikely as possible, and NOT ones picked out or directed to by the staff.

If cornered, ATTACK, and keep attacking until you or the goblin are dead. Use any thing you can as weapon, but with hands, feet and teeth if you must. Bullets in the chest are not going to hurt any worse that ones in the back, and most of these slime are not prepared for an effective counter attack. A corollary, if anyone of your fellow students or staff attempt to prevent your from counterattacking, take them out as brutally and ruthlessly as you would the shooter, because at that point they have joined his side.

As a parent, do I think this guarantees her survival? Nope, that is something that can not be guaranteed. But I hope these attitudes will maximize her chances of getting out of the situation alive.