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Beauty Queen Shoots Intruder
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:11 am
by tcourtplayer
Quote of the article from her fiance:
And as always, if it is important enough to shoot once, it is important enough to shoot several times:
Brown, who reigned as the 2009 Miss Tierra Verde, snatched her gun from a nearby bedroom and shot the suspect several times β hitting him in the chest, groin, thigh and back, her fiance said. Hill was pronounced dead at the scene.
Re: Beauty Queen Shoots Intruder
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:23 am
by Rumpshot
Speaking of which, I just read Alan Korwin's new book, "After you Shoot, Your gun's hot. The perp's not. Now what?"
Very interesting reading based around the fact that you have rights that are nominally given up when you call 911 and talk to a recorder. Lots of discussion with various lawyers that cannot agree amongst themselves the best steps to take in a "good" shoot.
I recommend the book and suggest a continuing discussion of the contents thereof.
Re: Beauty Queen Shoots Intruder
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:23 am
by Denis
Rumpshot wrote:I just read Alan Korwin's new book, "After you Shoot, Your gun's hot. The perp's not. Now what?"
I just had a look on his website. Too bad he's not offering it as an e-book. I probably won't spend US$14.95 for a paper copy, but I would pay $0.99 or maybe even up to $2.99 to download it to my Kindle.
Re: Beauty Queen Shoots Intruder
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:47 am
by TabascoKid
Ayoob's "In the Gravest Extreme" has a lot of good material on what to do post-shoot. When calling 911, make sure you don't start off with "I just shot someone" as that sets you up as the bad guy. Instead, say something like, "I need an ambulance at [address]. Someone broke into my house. He attacked me with [describe any weapon the goblin had] and I was scared for my life and my family's lives. I had to use a weapon to protect us. He didn't stop when he saw the weapon and I was forced to use it."
In the first sentence, you are showing that you are concerned for the goblin's survival, which could be a point in your favor in front of the grand jury. The second establishes you as the victim and that he had the opportunity to cause serious bodily injury or death and that you perceived a threat to your life or the lives of your family or other building occupants. The third sets up the self-defense claim. The fourth shows that the goblin refused to disengage when you presented the weapon and continued the attack. The ending "forced to use it" shows that it was the goblin's actions that led to his assuming room temperature and not a desire to kill on your part.
Having legal help on retainer is essential. 1st call to 911, second call to your lawyer. There is a law firm in Houston called Texas Gun Shield that offers shooter insurance; if you have to pull the trigger, they represent you from the time the police arrive on the scene until the trial is over. Dunno how good the offer is as I just learned about them at a gun show a couple of weeks ago and haven't dug in to see how many cases they have tried.
Rumpshot wrote:Speaking of which, I just read Alan Korwin's new book, "After you Shoot, Your gun's hot. The perp's not. Now what?"
Very interesting reading based around the fact that you have rights that are nominally given up when you call 911 and talk to a recorder. Lots of discussion with various lawyers that cannot agree amongst themselves the best steps to take in a "good" shoot.
I recommend the book and suggest a continuing discussion of the contents thereof.
Re: Beauty Queen Shoots Intruder
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:53 am
by Dub_James
What does it typically cost to keep a good lawyer on retainer?
Re: Beauty Queen Shoots Intruder
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:57 pm
by Rod
Her fiancee said they'd been set up by the pizza delivery boy because they tried paying for pizza with 100 dollar bills. Well duh, nothing like flashing your wealth around.
My favorite was this though:
βShe was not a good shot at the range,β he quipped.
after she hit the goblin in the chest, groin, thigh and back.
Re: Beauty Queen Shoots Intruder
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:07 pm
by Denis
Dub_James wrote:What does it typically cost to keep a good lawyer on retainer?
Son, the only good lawyer is a...
Seriously, though, I have no idea. I'd
guess $100 would get you on most attorney's books as a client, and get you a few of their business cards to keep in your wallet for emergencies. For this application, you need to make sure they can be reached 24/7/365.
Re: Beauty Queen Shoots Intruder
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:09 pm
by Denis
Rod wrote:Her fiancee said they'd been set up by the pizza delivery boy because they tried paying for pizza with 100 dollar bills. Well duh, nothing like flashing your wealth around.
A couple of $100 bills is not a lot of money to get yourself shot dead for, though. Silly goblin.
Re: Beauty Queen Shoots Intruder
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:13 pm
by TabascoKid
The retainer is just to pay for his services to respond to the initial call, be there for any questioning before and after booking, and get you bonded out. Like Denis said, that is for 24/7/365 access. After that, it goes to billable hours and the sky's the limit.
Ayoob runs regular seminars discussing what to do before, during, and after a self-defense incident. If you pass the course and follow what he taught when an incident happens, he will testify for you as an expert witness for free.
Re: Beauty Queen Shoots Intruder
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:28 pm
by moose42
Hill barged into the home at around 3 a.m. after Brown responded to a knock at the front door...
Don't answer the door at 3 a.m. PERIOD. She should have already got her pink .38 and asked what the hell they wanted through the closed door.