Home Defense Rethink

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Darrell
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Home Defense Rethink

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This happened in town overnight:
Gang attack in Colorado Springs?: 10-15 men in gold Cadillacs bum-rush house, stab 44-year-oldBy Michael Roberts, Mon., Aug. 16 2010 @ 8:47AM ​Early Sunday morning in Colorado Springs, between ten and fifteen men jumped out of four cars (including two gold Cadillacs), invaded a home and stabbed the occupant, a 44-year-old man.

It's a scenario that screams "gang violence" -- and while the Colorado Springs Police Department isn't confirming that yet, officers certainly aren't dismissing the possibility.

"That's always somewhat of a suspicion when you have that many people involved at one time," says Lieutenant Pat Rigdon, a shift lieutenant for the CSPD's Gold Hill division, whose boundaries encompass the attack locale. "But we don't have anything at this point that would lead us to a particular gang or to say for sure that's what it was."

When asked about the general level of gang activity in Colorado Springs at present, Rigdon says, "It's fairly isolated. We'll go for a while and won't have any problems, and then we'll see a little rash of potentially gang-related crimes.

"Mostly, the kind of gang violence we see is gang on gang, not your average citizen being targeted. And a lot of it seems to be narcotics-related -- not so much your turf-battle-type stuff."

At this point, the descriptions of the vehicles in the case are better than those involving actual suspects. Get more information from the CSPD release below, and check out an interactive graphic of the 1400 block of Keith Drive, where the incident took place; if you have problems seeing the image, click "View Larger Map."

Date: August 15, 2010 Time: 1:33 a.m. Location: 1400 block of Keith Drive
Summary: On 08/15/10 at approximately 1:33AM, officers were dispatched to the 1400 block of Keith Dr regarding a home invasion that had just occurred. The suspects had left the scene after stabbing a 44 year old male in the residence.

When officers arrived, several people were contacted at the residence; as well as the stabbing victim. The witnesses and the victim said the suspects threw a rock through the front window before pounding on the door. When the victim answered the door, 10 to 15 males pushed their way into the house assaulting and then stabbing the victim. The suspects then left the area in several vehicles.

The victim was stabbed once in the back. He was treated and released at Memorial Hospital for minor injuries.

The only suspect descriptions given were they were hispanic and white males. The suspect vehicle descriptions include a newer gold Cadillac sedan with rims; a gold Cadillac Escalade (truck model) with rims; a dark over white Buick 2 door; and a gray Jeep Cherokee.

If anyone has any information regarding this incident, they are encouraged to call Crimestoppers at 634-STOP or the Colorado Springs Police Department at 444-7000.
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Reports vary, most stories say 15 guys stormed the house. WTF? Mr. 12 Gauge has seven rounds in the pipe, Mr. .357 has six. Dang, do I need to keep one of the EBRs and a spare mag or three at the ready??? Have a bunker at the end of the hall? :? I used to have a sheriff's deputy as a neighbor, we were talking about home invasions, including a couple just down the street. He said that unless I'm dealing drugs, I have very little to worry about. Nowadays you just don't know, though... some people know I have a um, modest collection of firearms. People talk...

BTW, you'd think two gold Caddies with "rims" might not blend right in around town...
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the mistake was opening the door when the window was smashed with a brick. Armed retreat and call for LEO.

the other consideration is how many of the 10-15 are willing to die in order to exact their revenge.

ventilating a couple of their cohorts might make the rest rethink their strategy of bum-rushing the guy with the shotgun.
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While we can't have them anymore - this is what the Thompson was made for...

Maybe a Saiga, but I don't know how fast that can be transitioned.

If it was a GAME, and I was trying to hit that many moving targets, coming at me, I'd probably go for 2 shotguns, and transition between them... Well, that or try to talk the MD into providing a belt-fed...

My guess is the only chance is go w. whatever allows you to place accurate, decisive hits, w. speed a secondary concern. (It might be a good argument for my open gun as a sidearm.) As a plus, I don't think 15 guys can rush one spot v. well in a house - if they've gotten smart enough to rush multiple sides... :cry:

My guess is that you'd need to make sure they see their friends dying. Now, if they've learned from the NAZIs and started loading up on meth before the rush... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:


(Missing the house I grew up w. only one way up - at least at speed. The back one could be gotten up, on all fours, and the side could be picked through, but involved lots of boulders.)
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CByrneIV wrote:15 rounds of double ought buck from 20 feet ought to be enough to discourage even the most determined asshole. 30 rounds of 77gr peepee whacking rapidly distributed into heads and chests at 2850fps should deal with anyone wearing armor or a helmet.

and then I reload...
And while most of those shotgun rounds will hit center mass (we can count on 1" of spread per yard of travel), we're talking about nine .32 caliber balls travelling at +/-1200fps for every trigger pull. Some over-estimate that lethality by equating the shot with handgun rounds when the former lacks the physical characteristics, but I won't underestimate it, either. I've always said the shotgun, properly fed, is the most devastating personal firearm available to the general public. 15 guys with knives coming down a choke point like a hallway vs. one guy with a shotgun? I'd say they're going to find somewhere else to be suddenly - those who aren't DRT.

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workinwifdakids wrote:If you're happy sharing, Chris, what's that AR look like?
muzzle-flash. followed by a tunnel with a light at the end.


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I think the shotgun in this situation would be adequate, given you are going up against a street gang on a business venture, not a well trained and disciplined LE/.mil tactical team on a mission.

If you engage and take out a couple, the others are likely to beat feet out of there and try to find an easier target, not deploy and utilize fire and maneuver to secure your position.

Even if they are too stupid to run for it and try to fight it out, in a position with good cover and spare ammo at the ready, you should be able to hold them off long enough for the PD to arrive (you or a household member are on the cell phone to 911 screaming for [strike]air support[/strike] [strike]arty support[/strike] help, right?)

My Mossberg has a side saddle carrier and a buttstock carrier with spare shells. If such things started happening here, I'd dig out my old bandoleer and load it up for ready storage next to the Mossy.
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Fill wrote:
workinwifdakids wrote:If you're happy sharing, Chris, what's that AR look like?
muzzle-flash. followed by a tunnel with a light at the end.


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Fill, FTW :lol:
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randy wrote:
Even if they are too stupid to run for it and try to fight it out, in a position with good cover and spare ammo at the ready, you should be able to hold them off long enough for the PD to arrive (you or a household member are on the cell phone to 911 screaming for [strike]air support[/strike] [strike]arty support[/strike] help, right?)
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City boys... :lol: Someday it will sink in to me that there is such a thing as a PD, now that I live in town...
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Aglifter wrote:City boys... :lol: Someday it will sink in to me that there is such a thing as a PD, now that I live in town...
Heh... I once had to visit a house in a rural area for a fishing license. Nice house, beautiful garden, kids playing outside. The owner had a FAL rifle ready to go behind the kitchen door, "just in case there's trouble, we havent seen any police here for over a decade. We handle our own problems here."
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I'd say a 'determined' gang is going to rapidly become less determined when they have to start stepping over the bodies of their fellow meth heads to press the attack. If they're coming through the door or a hallway choke point you only have to engage one or two of them at a time.
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