Defensive Tactics Against Mobs

[HTRN]

That is an insane price. The current wholesale price for 100% methanol is about $1.38/gallon.

That was roughly the price I've been able to find from a quick search. Motorsport Racing Fuels has their own brand of Methanol for 32 bucks/5 gallons. It's cheaper still - Amazon has 55 gallon drums of Methanol, admittedly marketed for biodiesel manufacture and not as racing fuel, at 210/55 gallon, that's roughly $3.80/gallon.

[Termite]

That is an insane price. The current wholesale price for 100% methanol is about $1.38/gallon.

That was roughly the price I've been able to find from a quick search. Motorsport Racing Fuels has their own brand of Methanol for 32 bucks/5 gallons. It's cheaper still - Amazon has 55 gallon drums of Methanol, admittedly marketed for biodiesel manufacture and not as racing fuel, at 210/55 gallon, that's roughly $3.80/gallon.

Well, I haven't priced it from retailers. I'm used to buying by the boatload...literally. Methanol is extensively used in the oil patch to prevent hydrates from forming in flow-lines and pipelines.

Does LPG put out as much power per gallon as long-chain hydrocarbons?

No, the energy content of short chain hydrocarbons is naturally lower than hydrocarbons with longer chains.
Methanol has fewer BTUs per gallon than ethanol, which has fewer than gasoline, which has fewer than diesel. LINKY
However, methanol is cheap right now because natural gas is cheap.

From Southern Chemical Corporation's website:

The typical feedstock used in the production of methanol is natural gas. Methanol can also be made from renewable resources such as wood, municipal solid wastes and sewage. The production of methanol also offers an important market for the use of flared natural gas.

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The tree huggers should be all over this, as a realistic alternative fuel. That they are not tells me they are not about solutions to our current energy issues.

[SoupOrMan]

As long as I get to set people on fire and turn them into very obvious attention-grabbing loud object lessons about why you shouldn't step onto my property during a riot, I'm cool with those methanol prices.

I figure a sign marked "Rioters will be shot and/or set on fire. Gawkers, layabouts and rubberneckers will be shot to establish a perimeter" should be warning enough. Anyone else?

[Precision]

As long as I get to set people on fire and turn them into very obvious attention-grabbing loud object lessons about why you shouldn't step onto my property during a riot, I'm cool with those methanol prices.

I figure a sign marked "Rioters will be shot and/or set on fire. Gawkers, layabouts and rubberneckers will be shot to establish a perimeter" should be warning enough. Anyone else?

Sounds like good enough warning to me.

I posted a sign on my lawn last week sort of to that effect.

The [strike]dirty bastards next door[/strike] newish neighbors have a perpetual weekend yard sale and their "clients" seem to think nothing of parking in MY yard.

Sign says No Parking
. . This is your trespassing warning
.. violators have been warned
and will be treated accordingly

It does help that the neighbors know me as the guy who open carries all the time. They are NOT gun people. Sorta surprised them when the FHP did nothing when he saw me open carrying. (Car accident directly at our property line)

Pre sign - 30-50 cars parked on my lawn per day
post sign - 3 cars parked in my lawn and 2 sets of saucer eyes when confronted and one hasty apology from the neighbor after someone parked there despite the sign and the neighbor also providing a verbal warning to the "client". I kindly asked if they would prefer the trespassing violation, the towing charge or both.

seemed to solve the problem

[SoupOrMan]

Sounds like it worked pretty well.

[Aglifter]

Most towns have a limit on yard sales, to prevent them turning into unlicensed vending/neighborhoods becoming retail areas...

[henrybowman]

1. If caught in mob while in my vehicle (as happened in the Wisconsin incident), I will remember that I'm in a 5,000+Lb [strike]weapon[/strike] vehicle with an inline-6 and 4 wheel drive. I'm going into 4WD Low mode, shifting to first gear and releasing the brake with my foot over the accelerator ready to floor it if the tactical situation requires it.

2. Any intrusion into the vehicle by a mob member will be immediately followed by an extrusion of at least 115Grains traveling at 1225 FPS.

3.There are no individuals in a mob. You cannot appeal to them with reason or pleas of pity. All you can do is cause the mob enough pain (through violent interaction with some of the drones that make it up) to make it shift it's attention somewhere else long enough to make a break for it. If you can score enough hit points on individual components, you can make it dissipate entirely.

4. If I die in such an event, I'm not going alone.

That being said, the best tactic is avoidance. If the local bunch of highly paid game players do something significant, I'm going to stay the hell away from downtown or any collection of sports bars or university students. I'm going to E&E to my home and hunker down with a few of my neighbors and see what develops.

From a purely tactical and ruthless point of view, the best way of dealing with a mob is:

Aircraft equipped with mini-guns and/or cluster munitions

or

Sniper teams on the high ground with spotters designating the most loud mouth components of said mob (will usually be at the back of the mob urging the rest on).

Amen..

[Langenator]

1. If caught in mob while in my vehicle (as happened in the Wisconsin incident), I will remember that I'm in a 5,000+Lb [strike]weapon[/strike] vehicle with an inline-6 and 4 wheel drive. I'm going into 4WD Low mode, shifting to first gear and releasing the brake with my foot over the accelerator ready to floor it if the tactical situation requires it.

2. Any intrusion into the vehicle by a mob member will be immediately followed by an extrusion of at least 115Grains traveling at 1225 FPS.

3.There are no individuals in a mob. You cannot appeal to them with reason or pleas of pity. All you can do is cause the mob enough pain (through violent interaction with some of the drones that make it up) to make it shift it's attention somewhere else long enough to make a break for it. If you can score enough hit points on individual components, you can make it dissipate entirely.

4. If I die in such an event, I'm not going alone.

That being said, the best tactic is avoidance. If the local bunch of highly paid game players do something significant, I'm going to stay the hell away from downtown or any collection of sports bars or university students. I'm going to E&E to my home and hunker down with a few of my neighbors and see what develops.

From a purely tactical and ruthless point of view, the best way of dealing with a mob is:

Aircraft equipped with mini-guns and/or cluster munitions

or

Sniper teams on the high ground with spotters designating the most loud mouth components of said mob (will usually be at the back of the mob urging the rest on).

Amen..

I would imagine flamethrowers would have a healthy dispersing effect, as well. Especially the kind mounted on tracked armored vehicles.

[henrybowman]

Those poor sods in London and surrounding areas the last four days have zero defense.

I think the mob mentality can be used as an affirmative defense. IIRC that is. Hopefully someone is holding some weapon in their hand and you can start with shooting them.

When I had the Irish Mob incident I was going to fire a warning shot into their car and then start with the nearest one to me if that didn't work. They thought they were going to happen to me but I ended up happening to them. Not a mob per say but a gang.

I ended up being the mob!

What also made it worse was the fact that this happened in the nation that made some of the best weapons ever made... The Sterling, The Sten, The Weblery, The Lee Enfield..and everything Accuracy International makes..and yet they can not be "trusted" by the ruling class who imported the hordes of 3rd worlders who are destroying that nation as well as most of the West...

Makes me appreciate the 2nd Amendment even more.

[henrybowman]

Use methanol instead of gasoline. Much lower odor, dilutes in water when you flush it out of the system, leaves little or no residue, and in daytime the flames are practically invisible.

How hot does it burn?