Chris Byrne...I'm Callin' You Out!!!

[357fan]

They're called Shuriken.

[DougWojtowicz]

I've heard them called Sha-ken as well. I was dumbing it down for the non martnerds among us.

[workinwifdakids]

What be Tenex?

[HTRN]

About the best .22 ammo on the planet. Made by Eley.

Makes Federal 711 look like cheap crap.


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[postmanone]

The 22 long rifle is a good SHTF weapon in my opinion. However, it should be consider a tactical weapon, one of stealth and whisper quiet. It would be for a specific purpose or enemy that doesn't need a loud bang. The ammo is dirt cheap, and it will kill rabbits and other small animals like geese or duck or even a turkey if one is lucky. The 10/22 with a bi-pod and a scope would make taking such small game easy.

[Whirlibird]

The late Msr's Col. Jeff Cooper and Rex Applegate agreed that the lowly .22 was a riot control tool.
A quiet (suppressed) .22 with a telescopic sight would/could be used to remove without killing the instigators so they could be prosecuted but were still rendered out of action. A lung shot would make them seriously ill, but would be extremely unlikely to kill them. Assuming that medical attention was even remotely close.

In a survival situation the lowly .22 can and has fed families when nothing else would do, my grandparents stories of the '30's and the handed down .22 that kept the family with 7 kids fed show more than a little of this as evidence.

I've fed myself in the backcountry in a 'bad' situation for several days with a .22 handgun and can say that I'd have rather had a larger gun and caliber but it sufficed.

A careful shot with a .22 can "take" almost any critter that runs around N.A., however that harvest may be complicated by shooter injury, weather and simple skittishness of the critter.
I know of places where the deer will almost let you get within muzzle touching distance and others where the antelope head for the next county when a car slows.

Where I grew up, shotguns with slugs, bows and muzzleloaders were until recently the only legal method of take for deer. However I've seen more forkhorn-rabbits and the elusive whitetail-goats taken with a simple .22 than any other method.
A half-dozen .22 pills inserted into the ribcage of one of these critters from as far out as 100Y will bring them down fairly reliably.

Oddly enough the Ruger 10-22 wasn't the most popular .22 then and there, it was the Marlin M-60. Almost a dozen and a half rounds, cheap and accurate. I don't think there was a pickup truck there that didn't have a .22 of some sort behind the seat (okay not the city dwellers).

Many of these same pickup's also had a .270 or .30-06 inside, for "coyote's", not that anyone had seen one in their lifetime, they only recently made a real showing in the area. But for some reason these same farmers always had meat in the freezer. I ain't askin' how.

I have an article or two on this I just gotta dig up from a previous crash, let me look.

[HTRN]

Don't think .22rf can be a combat cartridge?

Then why does Russia have a .22rf sniper rifle?


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[SeekHer]

Don't think .22rf can be a combat cartridge?

Then why does Russia have a .22rf sniper rifle?


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For the same reason they had them in the Second World War--silenced guard dog removal and close in sniping on humans...

BUT that is not a SHTF situation as outlined (maybe if you lived in Stalingrad at the time you'd think that)...that sniper probably had a typical 3 man squad attached to him, one spotter and one or two guards all loaded with PPKms or Mosins...

I am not saying that a rimfire round can't kill a human as it has and will continue to do so but not reliably, consistently or especially not at distance...If some guy is attacking me I want to know that the handgun I pull out and shoot him with--in my case a .41 mag--is going to stop him in his tracks immediately after I place one or maybe two 240gr slugs in his COM as I'd be too scared of missing a head shot with the adrenalin pumping and especially not willing to chance my life on a couple of 43gr .22 LR rounds to their eye...

You see, I’m basically a very lazy hunter! I want to shoot something and I want it to go down and stay down right then and there or at worst maybe within 30 or 40 yards of where I shot it but I certainly don’t want to chase the beastie all over the countryside and thusly I take the (in my opinion) best caliber to do the job cleanly and humanly as possible--also, it tastes a lot better if it hasn’t “run” over half the county—and with the exception of rodents the rimfires just don’t cut it…Yes, I’ve also seen deer shot with rimfires and had to chase every damn one of then and put them out of their misery with a .303…

I said reliability and consistency is my main concern and the only thing the rimfires will do consistently is not kill cleanly and I’m reliably positive of that….

For supplying small game for food to the family larder there is nothing better and if it’s the only gun you have with you it will have to make do with eliminating your threats but definitely not as a first choice weapon for anything other then small game…

The best piece of equipment for SHTF is a good pair of running shoes and getting you away from the danger area and if you have to engage enemies at long distance it’s because you’re trapped and trying to lessen the odds against you because if they’re hundreds of yards away there is a good chance they won’t see you or even know you’re there unless they are purposely looking for you for sneaking into their area and shooting the “boss’s” dogs so you could steal some medicine and ammo…

[HTRN]

Seekher, they actually added them after losing so many of their own soldiers to Chechnyans with suppressed 22 rimfires in urban combat. Because it was so quiet, they couldn't tell where it was coming from a mere 75 yards away. The Chechnyans liked shooting them in the neck, so even if they didn't kill 'em, it would create a horrific wound that would tie up manpower, and it avoided the body armor.


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[mekender]

my single biggest problem with a .22lr round for a combat situation is that the primers fail... a LOT!