What does 21 Feet Look Like?

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Glenn Bartley
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Re: What does 21 Feet Look Like?

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Distance is your friend, 21 feet is one shot, if you are ready, maybe 2.
Sure sounded like more than one or two shots to me, I think it was four :lol: On the serious side, I agree distance is your friend in such a case - so too is cover and movement and stance.
The correct response is Shoot, shoot, ...........
Anyone who would stand there during a charge like that and simply shoot - shoot - shoot is either in a panic, dazed and confused (and I mean this as in being in shock in a firefight), not practiced enough, caught off guard or slow because it is a bad day, not trained at all, ill trained, or if well trained and ready then is an idiot. The best thing to do in such an attack would be to move and seek cover or distance or both and shoot as appropriate (and remember cover can act as a sort of distance). Training someone to stand there and shoot - shoot - shoot as it appears the instructor is doing is a bad thing indeed in my well seasoned and experienced opinion.

Even if you were in a situation where your back was on the wall and you could not move left or right, there was a much better way, I think, to handle that type of shooting than keeping the gun out in front as the target got closer. As it approached at about the 1/2 half way point at the nearest to you it was high time to have pulled the gun into the shooters body, as in a high ready stance, in anticipation of being hit by the attacker and therefore needing to be ready for gun retention techniques to come into play. You can easily shoot from that stance. A few feet closer and the gun goes to hip level, on the strong side with pistol canted out slightly to avoid snags in clothing and to make sure the slide will not hit the body, with the weak side foot stepping out to gain a good strong hand to hand combat stance, weak hand ready to push out to hit the attacker and maybe grab him to keep him at bay as you continue shooting with your strong hand. Your stance changes as you don't want the groin exposed and you do not want to be square to a charging attacker because you do not want to be knocked on your duff if he collides with you.

Many range instructors don't teach such techniques for a variety of reasons such as: they are unaware of them and are show boating stuff with this type of target, or they are aware of them but feel the shooter is not ready (in which case he should not in my opinion be practicing on this type of target at that close a range), they are aware of the techniques but feel then unnecessary, they know of the technique but are afraid of liability if the shooter shoots himself in his off hand. Of course the guys involved in that video could be working their way toward just the type of training about which I am speaking as they move along. Then again maybe it is not training at all and just a fun shoot in which case the shooter has some stuff to learn and has to become ready to implement things he learns in training.

Now if it was me, and I was not expecting it, I may have reacted in the same manner if it was a slow day for me - and lots of em are slow days at my age. Then again, I would hope that I would have at least backed up, moved laterally, sought cover, taken a better stance or done something other than standing there shooting and waiting for the guy to clobber me.

Nice target though, great for training and for adding some excitement to the training routine. It would be a great target in a fun house especially if the target faces sometimes were of shooters or knife wielders and other times were of a woman carrying her baby and running for her life and things like that.

All the best,
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Re: What does 21 Feet Look Like?

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IIRC, this was from a USPSA match, hence he's probably limited to where he can stand and shoot. Unfortunately this is "competition" not "training"...

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Re: What does 21 Feet Look Like?

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One of the things that has change with military training/qualifications for the better is they are teaching/practicing some reflexive fire and moving/shooting type drills. Not so much on moving targets though (other than pop-ups). I think that is a pactical matter though. Still, can't let perfect be the enemy of the good.
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