Knuckle Dusters and Knuckle Knives

[thatguy]

I'd like to know if you guys could provide a bit of information on knuckle dusters. The classic Western patterns, Okinawan Tekko, the Indian Hora, and anything else. Links, personal observation, book suggestions (with a short review), or pictures from your own collections if you'd like to share them. Would be of excellent news if someone knew of a place selling reproductions of the OSS/SOE pattern knuckles.

I guess knuckle knives could be included in this topic. Of course when it comes to those I'm only interested in those with "Death's Head" knuckle grips

[SeekHer]

You know that they are both illegal in Canada, USA, Britian, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and a bunch of other places...

I did a Google search of knuckle dusters and brass knuckles and combined got 10,275,000 hits...

Sorry, couldn't help...

[First Shirt]

A "knuckle duster" was a small, easily concealed handgun with a hole in the grip frame that allowed the user to insert his finger and use the grip as an improvised brass knuckle.

Somewhere around the wreckage of my office/den/reloading room/hideout I have a book with pictures of some of the more popular models.

Here's one that was for sale recently.

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[308Mike]

In California, possession of such items is a felony wobbler (misdemeanor or felony depending on circumstances of arrest and seizure) under California Penal Code Section 12020.

[thatguy]

You know that they are both illegal in Canada, USA, Britian, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and a bunch of other places...

Sorry, couldn't help...

And? Guess I should inform someone I know to remove a pair that belonged to a great uncle from his property and someone should inform this guy.

No worries.

In California, possession of such items is a felony wobbler (misdemeanor or felony depending on circumstances of arrest and seizure) under California Penal Code Section 12020.

That matters about as much to me as what shampoo and conditioner Mr. & Mrs. Obama use.

A "knuckle duster" was a small, easily concealed handgun with a hole in the grip frame that allowed the user to insert his finger and use the grip as an improvised brass knuckle.

So I used the wrong term to describe a weapon a lot of other people use the same term for. Sue me.

Guess I should have read the description of this part of the forum a little better. Not a place for collectors to post I suppose....

[SeekHer]

You know that they are both illegal in Canada, USA, Britain, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and a bunch of other places...

Sorry, couldn't help...

And? Guess I should inform someone I know to remove a pair that belonged to a great uncle from his property and someone should inform this guy.

From his site: This knife is not legal in all states for carry, so please beware of that when ordering.

No worries.

In California, possession of such items is a felony wobbler (misdemeanor or felony depending on circumstances of arrest and seizure) under California Penal Code Section 12020.

That matters about as much to me as what shampoo and conditioner Mr. & Mrs. Obama use.

A "knuckle duster" was a small, easily concealed handgun with a hole in the grip frame that allowed the user to insert his finger and use the grip as an improvised brass knuckle.

So I used the wrong term to describe a weapon a lot of other people use the same term for. Sue me. :twisted:

Guess I should have read the description of this part of the forum a little better. Not a place for collectors to post I suppose....

EXCUUUUUUUUSE ME all to Hell and back...but how the Hell do I know that you're not a damn BATFucker trying to entrap us...

The dusters you referred to, the ones that fit into your hand for striking a person--not the one or multi shot pistol of collector status, can be in your possession, in your home, but if you happen to have a LEO stop by and see them you CAN get a ticket, fine or incarcerated--depending on local and we wish to inform people posting here that we do not support, condone or abide by illegal practices for both our sakes...

The pistol version are legal as there is not any commercial ammo available for it and they're over X number of years old...

I can buy a trench knife from numerous sources, you know, the one with a 6" blade sticking out from the brass knuckles but the minute I take it into my possession, I have performed a felony and I could, if caught, go to jail...Here push knives, Ballisong (Butterfly), switchblades (Automatic) and gravity knives are illegal as well but all are offered for sale over the Internet...Some of them, but not all, are also illegal in many other countries, as well and with usually the same punishments...

Brass knuckles would probably make an interesting collection as you said, they're world wide, but alas, not here!

[First Shirt]

I spent my formative years as an intel weenie in the Air Force. Precise terminology is not just nice, it's a requirement.

The term "knuckle-duster" has been in use since shortly after the Late North-South Unpleasantness, and if you tell a collector, particularly a collector of antique firearms, that you are interested in "knuckle-dusters" this is what he's going to point you towards. If it's a problem, perhaps refining one's definitions might be in order.

(Further comment deleted after sober consideration, and being late for supper.)

[thatguy]

From his site: This knife is not legal in all states for carry, so please beware of that when ordering.

EXCUUUUUUUUSE ME all to Hell and back...but how the Hell do I know that you're not a damn BATFucker trying to entrap us...

If I were I think I would have started in the firearm section. Posting all sorts of questions about the conversion of semi-auto firearms. Not to mention I'd probably be going through all the posts, especially yours with all the interesting information contained in them, with a microscope looking for neat little tidbits such as any about unregistered shotguns or rifles shorter than their required length, possibly unregistered AOWs, firearm malfunctioning by firing more than one shot per trigger pull, or anything hinting about the illegal construction of suppressors. All before trying to net a few people willing to sell any interesting tools. Not to mention I don't think I'd be able to do anything in Canada.

The dusters you referred to, the ones that fit into your hand for striking a person--not the one or multi shot pistol of collector status, can be in your possession, in your home, but if you happen to have a LEO stop by and see them you CAN get a ticket, fine or incarcerated--depending on local and we wish to inform people posting here that we do not support, condone or abide by illegal practices for both our sakes...

Did I suggest carrying them anywhere in my post? I don't remember doing so. However I do remember asking for information on them. As far as I know possession of them isn't illegal on the federal level in the US. If it is... A lot of people around here don't know that and are probably in some trouble. Now I'm sorry if there was a mix up since I found out this section of the forum did not contain anything about collecting.

The term "knuckle-duster" has been in use since shortly after the Late North-South Unpleasantness, and if you tell a collector, particularly a collector of antique firearms, that you are interested in "knuckle-dusters" this is what he's going to point you towards. If it's a problem, perhaps refining one's definitions might be in order.

Noted.

[Precision]

Just a suggestion to someone that none of the frequent posters know.

Don't pick fights with the locals.

We (and by we, I mean the majority of people on the site) are a gregarious bunch and don't really care what you own or why. The issue comes when you create the potential for all of us getting into trouble.

A simple, "I'm sorry, I didn't realize..." works wonders then ask about the legality and site rules and you will likely be welcomed as a new member.

Antics like those in this post are not endearing and will likely get you very little positive commentary (or any comments) in the future.

take my suggestions for what you paid for them.

[blackeagle603]

feels like I just saw knifefight.