Revolution War Era Tactics-other options

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g-man wrote:
Aesop wrote:At least, until you realize that the "long train of abuses and usurpations" pales in comparison to the sorts of anti-liberty BS we undergo every year now.

Then you realize this isn't as abstract and arcane a discussion as it might be considered, on first look...
This. In spades. The tax on tea was three pence per pound, less than I currently pay in sales tax on EVERYTHING, not even considering the income tax. The issue at hand then was that the East India Company no longer had to pay the taxes on tea they were going to ship to America, thereby increasing their profit with no affect to their workload. Sound at all like the taxpayer dollars that were pumped into GM and Chrysler or any of a litany of Wall Street banks because they were 'too big to fail'?
We are living proof of the proper way to boil frogs, yes. But the degree of outrage we might feel is a different subject entirely from the tactics to use in the struggle to address that outrage.

Schrecklichkeit can work. It's a grave error made by naive wishful thinking fools to say that terror tactics never work. Because they often do. It's also a grave error to assume that ramping up the nastiness is always the best, most effective way to respond. Or even justified.
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Vonz90 wrote:Contrary the rhetoric, the American Revolution was not the first colony or province to fight a war of separation from the home power. Just in the few hundred years before our revolution we had, a very partial list:

- The Swiss successfully separated themselves from the German (Holy Roman) Empire
The territory that became Swiss was part of the home duchy of the (once) Emperors themselves, which is just mind boggling. Imagine how different history might have been if the Hohenstauffens weren't such epic fuckups.
The most important thing to do was for us to be recognized and get foreign support. If we acted like jackasses, that was not going to happen.

GW and the Continental Congress knew this.

In the end, they had a plan and it worked, why second guess them.
But why would you want a successful strategy when you could throw it away for some tactical advantage.
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How about this for some updated (or maybe not so updated) tactics.

Knowledge is power. Know your neighbors. Know when the cop who lives nearby is on duty and when she's not. Know when her husband is at work and their children are at school or work. Also get to know the military reservist. When he's got to go to drill and his two week duty. Then know your other neighbors in the same way, starting next with any local politicians, then political activists, regular Joe and Jane Sixpack, then who's retired.

Learn a little about tools and how to use them effectively. Like making sure that the knife you use to slash tires has a good fingerguard. Doing a little maintenance on your personal machinery like your car and lawn mower will get you used to using wrenches and things. Why did the local commandant's desk chair collapse when his fat ass dropped into it? I don't know, I was in there for five minutes to work on his computer (and also maybe took a picture of the password list under his desk blotter). IIRC when the Ukranians deposed that overspending dictator a few years ago some of the protesters used grappling hooks to pull police out of the line. Buy that in cash please.

And practice, practice, practice at the range. Learn and absorb knowledge. The thing about finger guards on the knives? I heard a cop on a podcast mention that when he started as a rookie beat cop he tracked down a tire slasher by the trail of blood drops from when the kid's knife slipped.
Buy ammunition and magazines.

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Simple idea, bring in flying artillery like that used in the Mexican-American War. Teach the cannon cockers to load up and move to where they're needed.
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Old Grafton wrote:
Vonz90 wrote: In the end, they had a plan and it worked, why second guess them.
Unfortunately, We The People are probably going to have to do it again at some point. It's appropriate to give it some thought.
....then we are looking at the wrong place/time in history.

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slowpoke wrote:without rifling the conical slugs will tumble and be less accurate then ball. Buck and ball became prevalent shortly before the minie ball took off. IIRC during revolutionary war muskets were loading simple ball. adding buckshot around the ball helps seal and greatly increases volley effectiveness. past that mobile close cannon support with grape and cannister is the next thing you seek.
Shotgun slugs don't, even from a smooth bore, until they get near the end of their effective range. Compare conical slugs to the old fashioned "punkin' balls".
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Vonz90 wrote:For the most part, while the leaders were not in for a good time, most of the population of the loosing side were not executed in mass. We knew this and we acted accordingly. If we lost, the leaders would have had to flee to another country or be imprisoned/killed, but that was not going to happen to Joe Smoe the Minuteman.
Something I'm sure King Louis XVI and Marie Antointette (and some few tens of thousands of their friends and acquaintances) reassured themselves about right up until the tumbrel pulled up to the prison, barely a decade after our revolution concluded (and whose ultimate end was due in no small part to bankrupting their treasury to help finance our revolt).
The most important thing to do was for us to be recognized and get foreign support. If we acted like jackasses, that was not going to happen.

GW and the Continental Congress knew this.

In the end, they had a plan and it worked, why second guess them.
There's ultimately nothing at stake here, because the thing is over.
But just as there's more than one way to skin a cat, there was more than one way to fight a successful revolution.
And any number of ways to bollocks it all up as well.
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Dump the handcannons and get bows.
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Also, as stated before, this war was a HUGE thing for the americas, a minor squabble for the brits. You really... REALLY... didn't want to play total war with the brits.
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Just started (binge)watching "TURN" on Netflix last night. Uh oooh, is it after midnight already?
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