The Clone Wars Draw Closer

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Navy: Self-guided unmanned patrol boats make debut
Self-guided unmanned patrol boats that can leave warships they're protecting and swarm and attack potential threats on the water could join the Navy's fleet within a year, defense officials say.

In the demonstrations, as many as 13 small unmanned patrol boats were escorting a high-value Navy ship. Then as many as eight of the self-guided vessels broke off and swarmed around a threat when a ship playing the part of an enemy vessel was detected, the office said, calling the demonstrations a success.

The boats can decide for themselves what movements to make once they're alerted to a threat and work together to encircle or block the path of an opposing vessel, depending on that vessel's movements and those of other nearby vessels.

The rigid-hull inflatable patrol boats can also fire .50 caliber machine guns if called upon to do so. However, a human will always be the one to make the decision to use lethal force, officials said. A sailor on a command ship would be in charge of each of the unmanned boats and could take control over any of the boats at any moment.
It's a (momentary) step forward, until Hadji decides to use the dreaded 14-boat response, armors his craft, and loads decoys with women and children in order to AlJazeeraTube the inevitable PR disaster that will ensue.
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But at least they're thinking about this stuff.
Considering the USS Cole bombing happened 14 years and three presidents ago, this must be a speed record for fielding a response.

I defer to the Navy systems aficionados, but presumably it wouldn't be that much more expensive to simply put in more CIWS on the actual high value craft for the same cost, and with a notable improvement on the accuracy and firepower of a 20mm over a remote-guided Ma Deuce bouncing around on a RHIB. I have no doubt the GM ratings would be in favor of that, along with anybody who still thinks a surface warship should be able to, ya know, fuck hostile stuff up.
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decoy craft don't make it on al jazeera when the cameraman is sunk along with them. I think this is great for pirate interdiction.
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Wouldn't small subs make more sense?
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Yogimus wrote:decoy craft don't make it on al jazeera when the cameraman is sunk along with them. I think this is great for pirate interdiction.
Pirate interdiction is what Apaches with Hellfire, rockets, and 25mm are for.

Put a squadron of those on an LHA/LHD for one cruise to a problem area, and the pirate problem goes away for decades.
There's a reason piracy virtually went away from 1800-2000AD, when the universal and unmitigated policy was to hunt them down and blow them out of the water without explanation or apology.

A similar approach would sort things out in restricted waterways like the Persian Gulf.
If 20 small boats depart your harbor, and they don't either have bikini-clad waterskiers or fat guys with a deepwater fishing rig and a case of beer, you get to play a couple of rounds of "Hellfire Up Your Ass" until the point sinks in.

While I applaud this effort, taking 14 years to get it to the demonstration stage is pretty lame, and not particularly effective.
Given the choice of platforms and sensors available to us for this, a RHIB with a .50 isn't what I would try unless I was the Afghani Navy, and had no other choices.

It just seems like this is using 1990 tech to solve a year 2000 problem. In 2014.
Great news for Zodiac, and the workers at the arsenal that makes .50s, but for the BMs that are going to have to launch and recover these things, not so much, and I can't imagine the Commander or Captain, let alone CIC watch officer or OOD, who'd slap his forehead and say "If only we could put 2 dozen additional small contacts into the radar and sonar watch picture, simultaneously!"

And if one goes down by mishap, and you simultaneously lose a vessel, live ordnance, and classified comm/electronic tech in one fell swoop?
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Skippers will either refuse to launch them, or they'll be throwing themselves off the peak of the bow underway if one goes down, rather than face the report-writing and career-ending review boards that'll follow.
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How slow can a Predator drone fly?

In what kind of weather?

Although I do see the benefit in having a drone which can physically stop a boat wo destroying it.
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BDK wrote:How slow can a Predator drone fly?

In what kind of weather?

Although I do see the benefit in having a drone which can physically stop a boat wo destroying it.
a) Pretty slow; but there's the issue of launching/recovering them from non-carriers.

b) you need weather good enough to identify targets/non-targets. I'd say basic VFR.

c)I don't see where it would be too hard to rig up a MG on a Predator. If a burst across the bow doesn't get the boaters to stop, launch the Hellfire.

Personally, rather than a Predator, I'd rather my cruisers/large frigates have a AH-6 or two.
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Meh, that is a mission for an Inshore Boat Unit. (I say this as a former NCW/IBU sailor) IBU's are cheaper and more versatile and nothing has ever been blown up when being protected by them. Of course that is a low tech non-wizz-bang solution so no one in the procurement industry gets a big paycheck.

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