For the record, I hope that they do finish the job. I predict that if they don't destroy Hamas the damage to their standing in the world will be the beginning of the end of them. If the world doesnt love the Jews the least that the Israelis can hope for is to be feared by the haters who surround them.Is it just me, or does it look like Israel is starting to fall back on hitting empty buildings, sports stadiums, etc.? Seems like we've been down this road before in 2006.
The pattern:
1) Israel starts out with an aggressive military response to the terrorists - the goals are somewhat fuzzy, but it does feel cathartic
2) The terrorists go to ground quickly after taking a minor hit to key forces and weaponry
3) The Arabs riot in the streets of Europe and across the middle east
4) Western govts get nervous and turn the screws on Israel to pull back and negotiate and make peace
5) The media reports it as a humanitarian tragedy story, complete with the pathetic pictures of Palestinian kids, leading to massive pressure on Israel to call it quits
6) Israel gets nervous and starts doing non-strategic things like flattening empty buildings, to avoid civilian casualties, while trying to figure out what to do next in the face of strong and (to them) unexpected international condemnation
7) The enemy, seeing that Israel has no real war plan, starts claiming victory, i.e. "survival" in the face of the onslaught of the world's 4th largest army blah blah blah, and uses some of its mostly-untouched forces and armaments, which were, of course, hidden beyond the IDF's reach
8) Israel calls it off and tells its citizens it won. Everyone knows otherwise.
We seem to be roughly at stage 6 right now.
The key ingredient in this repetitive mobius strip of failure is the inability of Israel's government to correctly anticipate the global pressure it will be under to call it off before a successful conclusion. Israel keeps expecting the world to be sympathetic and supportive. Israel is delusional.
Sorry to take the wind out of the sails of anyone who's pumped up and thinking Israel is on the way to a grand victory. I see Lebanon II unfolding, rapidly.
Is Israel going to fold again before they finish the job?
Is Israel going to fold again before they finish the job?
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- mekender
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Re: Is Israel going to fold again before they finish the job?
key difference this time... the US has backed them up...
in '06 we "urged them to use restraint"
this time we have a president that doesnt give two shits about an upcoming election.
also, egypt has come out and blamed hamas... today the Czechs and the new EU president both came out against hamas too. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 11,00.html
in '06 we "urged them to use restraint"
this time we have a president that doesnt give two shits about an upcoming election.
also, egypt has come out and blamed hamas... today the Czechs and the new EU president both came out against hamas too. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 11,00.html
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Re: Is Israel going to fold again before they finish the job?
I think if people show the Israelis they care and want them to win, perhaps their politicians will grow a backbone like they used to have.
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