9/11 20 Years later

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9/11 20 Years later

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So, with the 20th Anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, lots of reminiscing going on. And a lot of somber music and reflective thinking and everyone talking about their sadness and shock over this "tragedy"...

Sorry, but screw that noise.

This was not a "tragedy". It was an atrocity and a war crime.

I still remember seeing that second aircraft hit the WTC live on CNN in the company break room, and saying (out loud without realizing it) "we are at war".

I was not in shock, I had no problem believing this was happening given recent history, I was PISSED! And frustrated.

If not for the post Cold War RIF, I would have been 11 months from retirement from the USAF. As a targeting officer with a background in cruise missiles, smart munitions and joint staff experience, I would probably have been right in the thick of setting up the payback for those bastards.

Instead I was working at a print center figuring out how to get payroll checks to factories around the country because FEDEX and everyone else was grounded. That did not help my mood any.

It didn't get better the next few days, especially as all of the local radios stations, including the rock stations, were playing somber, dirge like music and crap like Candle in the Wind (which I disliked even before it got associated with that artisto-twit after she and her boy-toy got themselves whacked).

I had not heard of March of Cambreadth at that time, but I cranked my MP3s at my desk computer with Bodies by Drowning Pool, Hell's Bells by AC/DC, I Won't back Down by Tom Petty, In America by Charlie Daniels, VOA by Sammy Hagar, Balls to the Wall by Accept, Don't Tread on Me by Metallica...

(I've added to this list over time with March of Cambreadth, Do You Remember?, Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue and others calling it my WWIV list. (With WWIII having been the Cold War IMHO)

But the one song that summed up my feelings that day, that I cranked repeatedly in my car and at my desk when on one else was around to complain was this song: Pat Benatar's Invincible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A4xBp2rizQ

I will be cranking this and the rest of the WWIV playlist today and probably the next few days. I'm still pissed (although the renewed anger is aimed at our so-called leadership these days).
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Kinda fitting it started with Americans falling out of the towers and "ending" with Afghanis falling off planes.
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scipioafricanus wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:04 pm Kinda fitting it started with Americans falling out of the towers and "ending" with Afghanis falling off planes.
Nothing ended. The Taliban is already rolling out the welcome mat for AL Queda and others. My great grand kids will still be fighting this war in one theater or another.
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Yep, this is just the end of the first act. Or whichever act we're on. Now Islamist terror has a base like never before -- and hardware to make things even more interesting. Nevermind alignment with China that's apparently already formed.
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A) The GWOT dates back a millennia or so... What we really lost on 9/11/01 was America. We either had to face reality, and chose classical liberalism, and know that Islam is every bit as much its enemy as NAZIism and Communism and Socialism, or shrink back from facing an ugly truth, and try to pretend its OK.

B) Lots of things were wrong in the Colonial era - what wasn't wrong was "Classical Liberalism is a good thing, and we will send merchants and missionaries to convince you of its benefits/attack your idiocy at its source/not let everyone convinced of your stupidity leave."

I'm firmly convinced Latin America would be much further along in sorting itself out, if millions of people who are tired of the BS hadn't fled for the US. I don't blame them, but at a certain point, we have to stop pirating the world's brain power and drive, and get the other nations to stand for themselves.
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Vonz90 wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:17 am
scipioafricanus wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:04 pm Kinda fitting it started with Americans falling out of the towers and "ending" with Afghanis falling off planes.
Nothing ended. The Taliban is already rolling out the welcome mat for AL Queda and others. My great grand kids will still be fighting this war in one theater or another.
Thus the quotation marks around ending.

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Sometimes they need to learn by pain. There are only two ways we patriots can force our failed military leadership to learn its lesson until 2024, when we get a real president in office who is not bedazzled by medals and impressed by a bunch of guys who had two decades to exterminate a crew of fanatical banditos and failed. We can starve the brass of treasure, but expecting the Republicans to impose that penalty in the wake of the Afghanistan debacle is – to evoke another famous failure of planning and arrogance – a bridge too far. Or we can starve them of blood – our kids’ blood, which for too long has been put at unnecessary risk by unserious military senior leaders consumed by unserious elite fetishes like “white rage” and “climate change” at the same time the Chi Coms are seriously prepping a slaughter of our troops that you can barely conceive of.

Don’t enlist or recommend others enlist, not until there is a real change in the collective mind of the military leadership that indicates that they have learned their lesson. But words cannot be enough – we need to see the same kind of massive convulsion and reform that we saw after the last Democrat/Pentagon betrayal in Vietnam. My generation of officers learned from the guys who rebuilt a ruined military, torn by careerism, lethargy, internal dissension, and the incorporation of society’s low standards in an effort to entice recruits with bribes instead of offering the rigors of service. During the Gulf War, I watched those reformers move a half million Americans (including me and my heavily armed carwash platoon) halfway around the world to the middle of a desert and then sweep an entire national army off the battlefield in 100 hours. But that was 30 years ago. This year, I watched our military bumble our way out of a disaster of our own making, leaving behind our citizens and our credibility while bringing home 13 heroes in metal cases.
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Ann Coulter got it right soon after 9/11 and was roasted for it. Said something like "Kill all their leaders and convert the rest to Christianity"
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