Portland Reavers

[Jericho941]

I refuse to 'secure my own liberty' by fighting to guard my enemy's ability to break the law, corrupt and destroy the institutions in place to secure everyone's liberty, and to oppress ME. Which they have stated is their end goal.

...you might want to go back and take a look at what that quote was in response to. Here, let me highlight it:

It appears that the majority are white/caucasian; they are anarchists & Marxists, IMHO.

I really don't think you have to be a Marxist to protest police brutality if you're white. There may be other principles and motives besides secret communism at play.

[Termite]

Jericho:

If you want to talk about the militarization of police, I hear you.

Ever hear about Operation Eradi-Cajun?

It was the LA-ARNG using UH-1s and OH-58s, flying LSP and sheriffs deputies around Louisiana, looking for marijuana plots. Paid for with federal funds. Circa 1988-1990. I know, because I was one of the pilots. I went to the DEA briefings. Learned about curtilage, civil asset forfeiture, if/when no warrant was required, etc.
I don't think LEOS need MRAPs 99.7% of the time. But it seems to be a status symbol with a lot of departments.


You want to talk about cops killing so many black people?

Disclaimer: the following stats may not be perfect, but they aren't far off.

In 2019, approx. 235 blacks killed by police. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585 ... e-by-race/

As of 2019, there were 47.4 million blacks in America. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/facts-f ... month.html
That comes out to a percentage of......... 0.0000049578% blacks killed by police in 2019.

White people number about 197.18 million, according to the 2010 Census.
In 2019, 370 whites were killed by police. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585 ... ce-by-race
That comes out to a percentage of....... 0.00000187645% whites killed by police in 2019.

Statistically, blacks are 2.64 times more likely to be shot by police, than whites are.

But of the total police killings of both blacks and whites, what percentage were of unarmed victims? I haven't researched that yet, but dollars to donuts says that the great majority WERE armed, and likely had prior charges/convictions.

But wait, there's more.

According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost eight times higher than Whites, and the victim rate six times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of White victims killed by Whites and 93% of African American victims killed by African Americans.[42][43][44]
In 2013, African Americans accounted for 52.2% of all murder arrests, with Whites 45.3% and Asians/indigenous Americans 2.5%. Of the above, 21.7% were Hispanic.[45][46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... s#Homicide

In 2018, there were 6088 homicides of white people. 4255 were males.
In 2018, there were 7407 homicides of black people. 6237 were males.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251 ... nd-gender/

7407 divided by 235 equals 31.519. Blacks are 31.519 times more likely to be killed by non-LEOs, than by LEOs(black/white/other).

Don Lemon's interview with Terry Crews, proves that he, Don Lemon, is a fucking moron.

ALL black lives matter, not just the ones ended by LEOs. And the vast majority of black homicides are non-LEO, and by other blacks.

BLM is a bunch of Marxist assholes, who don't give a shit about black people.

Here's an excellent book folks really need to read: Black Rednecks and White Liberals

[Weetabix]

Disturbing if true. The links to Beautiful Trouble are enlightening and disturbing.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1287 ... 14400.html

[randy]

What does a rioter even look like?

The ones destroying public and private property, assaulting private citizens and actual protestors (on either side); the ones committing serious misdemeanors (vandalism) and felonies (arson and attempted murder, I'm not aware of any actual murders, yet, but I don't deep dive into all of the reports)).

Wearing Antifa, Socialist/Marxist and Anarchist symbols does not automatically mark someone as a rioter vs protestor, but they are good bets to keep an eye on as someone likely to cross the line from idiot asshole to actual criminal.

And the ones showing up dressed and equipped for close in melee fighting and vandalism/arson are also good bets for moving from protestor to rioter at some point.

And by keeping an eye on them I mean in the sense that the folks on the ground (and supporting elements) tasked with protecting the property and residents of the area along with the legitimate (as in peacefully exercising their First Amendment rights regardless of message) protestors trying to head off trouble. Not in a paranoid NSA is monitoring my cat's cell phone sense.

I wouldn't be surprised if cops decided to simplify the equation with some RF jamming. If they haven't already, then certainly in the near future.

That capability has been on the commercial market for years, so not taking bets about it being deployed by LE at all levels. If they are smart they would be working on intercepting the data streams from opposition drones to collect the take to add to the overall operating picture /collect evidence. If folks know that it's "their" drone overhead not one operated by LE, they're more likely to let their inner idiot come out.

The initial "impossible demand" ...

Initial demands for police reform were rational and, if sometimes unrealistic based on lack of knowledge of some of the folks involved, are not what is bringing out the tactical response.

It's the actions of the usual assholes (Anti-Fa, anarchists, Marxists, and the Black Lives Matter organization (vs the black lives matter movement)) with their Class Warfare bullshit "demands" doing what they always do; throw violent temper tantrums because they can, living out their Heroes Of The Revolution Cos Play without any the real risk of participating in actual revolutionary warfare operations against an actual dictatorship, and running a giant shake down operation/protection racket that would make Al Capone blush.

The fact that there are assholes and fanatics on the LE side that step over the line when dealing with protestors, does not in any way make the case to cut the rioters any slack.

Fully agree on abolishing asset forfeiture.

If we can't flat out abolish it, at the bare minimum make criminal conviction of the property's owner required before a judge can take the property if the defendant cannot otherwise pay any resultant fines. Deposit any seized funds into the general fund, or go to social programs, schools etc. Anything but to the police budget. Let's see how important it is as a "law enforcement tool" vs a revenue stream then.


As for your last graphics, wanting the reign in abuses of LE and reform how they operate in no way obligates me to take up arms to protect people that want to destroy the society I've sacrificed to protect. I'll vote and bitch and support real reform. The rioters can go to hell (as opposed to creating one here). If their rights are actually violated, and they can prove it in court, then go after the LE and politician bosses involved. If they get whacked up because they came for a fight (i.e. we beat, you bleed) and accidentally found themselves in an actual fight, Tango Sierra.

I think Larry Correia has good thoughts on this subject

[randy]

And warning flag here guys. Some of the language used in some of the comments are pushing it. (IMHO)

[randy]

I really don't think you have to be a Marxist to protest police brutality if you're white. There may be other principles and motives besides secret communism at play.

No, but if you're a Marxist, you're more likely to slip over the line from protestor to rioter than a civilized person.

I also think that the Marxists don't give damn about black (any other) lives other than their own. They are using this issue to disrupt society since for them to come to power, civilization has to fall.

And if those other principles and motives condone/support riots vs peaceful protest, they are just as barbaric as the Marxists.

[Termite]

And warning flag here guys. Some of the language used in some of the comments are pushing it. (IMHO)

I'll tone down the vulgarities, Randy.

[BDK]

It’s definitely organized. We are a fairly mechanical bunch. How many of us would know how to rig a gas line to burn a building? Don’t think it can be done without, at least, a pipe wrench and probably some pipe fittings.

[Netpackrat]

And warning flag here guys. Some of the language used in some of the comments are pushing it. (IMHO)

I'll tone down the vulgarities, Randy.

Can't say as I really have a problem with people directing vulgarities at somebody who only shows up once in a while anymore just to fling poo.

[Termite]

Can't say as I really have a problem with people directing vulgarities at somebody who only shows up once in a while anymore just to fling poo.

Well,

I wasn't directing them at Jericho, I was sorta using them for emphasis.

Regardless, if Jerocho thinks that BLM Inc is just about police brutality, he should go to the BLM website and start reading.

Here's a quick primer on them: https://www.acton.org/publications/tran ... er-believe