Chattanooga shootings

[Termite]

What's MORE interesting is the number of states that have decided to arm their National Guard recruiters and Florida went so far as to say, recruit folks at the Armory, which actually is a pretty good idea.

Might be a good way to increase participation in the unorganised militia......

[BDK]

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Because everyone in the South will emulate the president's kneejerk prostration and ass-kissing before The Religion Of Peace(tm), and not instead take it upon themselves to suddenly decide "Okay, goatfuckers, you wanna play cowboys and jihadis on our home turf, let's see how that works out for you for the next 20 years."

Islam delenda est.

You described what should happen, not what will happen.

Interesting to note that a lot of people across the South mainly, have taken to "guarding" the recruiting stations. I'm pretty sure that's one of the "feel-good" ideas to show support. What's MORE interesting is the number of states that have decided to arm their National Guard recruiters and Florida went so far as to say, recruit folks at the Armory, which actually is a pretty good idea.

That the military needs civilian guards, especially private civilian guards, is exactly as it should be.

[JAG2955]

Oh, fantastic! This will surely solve everything!

Just stop wearing your uniforms!

As a Marine, I am absofuckinglutely embarrassed.

Seriously, Marines have been killing Muslims since 1801. Now we're just supposed to take off our uniforms and hide. I'm trying to figure out if the enemy is in a faraway land, or just in Washington.

[skb12172]

I know when my cousins were in the Navy, back in the early and mid 90s, they weren't supposed to travel in uniform for this very reason.

[JAG2955]

I know when my cousins were in the Navy, back in the early and mid 90s, they weren't supposed to travel in uniform for this very reason.

You aren't supposed to travel in them and are even suggested to look "not military", but the wearing of a uniform by a recruiter is VERY important.

[tcourtplayer]

I know when my cousins were in the Navy, back in the early and mid 90s, they weren't supposed to travel in uniform for this very reason.

You aren't supposed to travel in them and are even suggested to look "not military", but the wearing of a uniform by a recruiter is VERY important.

This.

If you cannot show up to your post as a recruiter in a shit hot looking uniform, demonstrating the pride you hoping to instill in your recruits then there is no point to you being on the job.

As for guns on base, every day I see a constant stream of local cops (local, county and state) coming on to base to use our pistol range. I know that several have their go happy toys in the trunk. Yet, if I were to go onto base with a loaded firearm (say forgot I had my carry piece in my center counsel or hell even a stray round from my last range day) and I'm on the fast track to being a felon while being admin separated. I'm sorry, if civilians can be trusted with weapons on base (no matter how much they want to believe otherwise cops are just civilians) then someone who is trusted to train the next generation of aviators and who has signed for a $40 million aircraft to go out and shoot a missile safely should be trusted with a handgun for self defense.

Do you want to know how I know this is true? Well, by direction of the local Admiral that is the orders the base security are to execute and there was at least one flight student and a retired Master Chief that it did happen to. In fact they must ask us if we have any weapons in the car, but if they beat us to the punch and ask before we volunteer the information...instant felon. This is despite the fact that it is so ingrained in security to ask that usually the car isn't even stopped before they are asking. For both of the two above, that is exactly what happened. They were asked before they could volunteer the information, they responded in the affirmative (hey you have to declare all weapons) and were told to pull to the side and were arrested. This of course means that anyone who remembers at the last second that they might have a spare round from a range trip or their carry piece in their car just shuts up and prays they don't get a random inspection. So....how is this meeting their goals? Oh and if you assert your UCMJ rights to not answer anything that might incriminate you then they just don't let you on base. So you have a choice, voluntarily give up your UCMJ rights and follow a lawful order to report to work or assert your rights and thus ignore a lawful order to show up to work. Again, this has happened.

The problem is getting the higher ups to admit that the service members that while deployed are trusted with any number of weapons don't instantly become fully retarded the instant they come home. Will there be idiots that do stupid shit? Yes, and you prosecute them under the UCMJ and then kick their asses out on the street. But if you properly train your people and **gasp** trust them, then the next time someone thinks about going all "Allah Akbar" they will barely get out "allah" before being put on the ground. This happens a few times and guess what, they look for different targets. Mix this with the country continuing to grow in acceptance of CCW and soon ISIS and others will realize that their best option is to fight over their crappy piece of desert and try not to do anything bad enough to involve us.

[Termite]

That the military needs civilian guards, especially private civilian guards, is exactly as it should be.

No, not for guarding military bases. That's what MPs are for.

Off post is a different scenerio, but I got no problem with recruiters E-5 rank and higher taking a CCW training class in addition to their annual weapons quals, and packing a sidearm as part of their uniform; either concealed or OC.

[Jered]

Seriously, Marines have been killing Muslims since 1801. Now we're just supposed to take off our uniforms and hide. I'm trying to figure out if the enemy is in a faraway land, or just in Washington.

Why can't it be both?

The people in [strike]Babylon on the Potomac[/strike] [strike]that malarial swamp[/strike] DC willfully refuse to acknowledge the nature of the enemy. In fact, I daresay that they are the enemy, or rather, an enemy. They just aren't honest about it. They try and make our friends enemies and our implacable enemies our friends.

Then there are our enemies in a faraway land. Those are the ones who are honest about it.

Islam delenda est.

[Aesop]

Oh, fantastic! This will surely solve everything!

Just stop wearing your uniforms!

As a Marine, I am absofuckinglutely embarrassed.

Told by whom?!?
Whatever commissioned fuckhead that promulgated that suggestion, up to the Commandant, should be immediately discharged from the Corps, lit on fire, and told to extinguish himself in the nearest body of water.
From the main gate at MCB 29 Palms.

Any officers in his/her chain of command who don't cheerfully douse the offender with gasoline, light the offender, and chase the gloriously aflame him or her with fixed bayonets in the act should suffer a similar fate; and anyone in the recruiting command who doesn't set fire to any such order, cheerfully ignore it, and demand a full court martial for any retaliation, is a spineless disloyal fuck and future ex-Marine as well.

If there was one single officer in the Corps above field grade worthy of one fuck to give, the actual policy would be to order all Marines to wear Class A or dress blues at all times and places off duty until further notice, concurrently with authorizing them, under orders, to arm themselves with any individual long arm, sidearm, bayonet, or other personal weapon(s), concealed or openly carried, they desired, and ready ammunition for same, to include issuing same from unit armories per normal issuing and turn-in procedures.

Seeing active duty Marines always and at all times and places armed, and as such beyond the reach of any legal authority from communities or states, would solve a host of problems all around, and not just that of Sudden Jihadi Syndrome.

I want to see the mealie-mouthed motherfucking paintywasit anywhere who'd open his yap about such a policy, just to see the verbal boot-stomping he'd receive.
It would also serve to remind the sister services where their heritage is, and perhaps rekindle in them some faint yearning to have their collective dicks re-attached, before training bras and poodle skirts become uniform issue items for all hands.

And former Marines everywhere should make a point of wearing their service dress uniforms (correctly) and carrying their legal and licensed CCW weapons, just to make the shell game even more interesting. (Yeah, whiny purists, it technically runs afoul of U.S. Code. Now find me a jury that's going to convict, with Stolen Valor @$$holes given protection and legal cover for their depredations by First Amendment precedential case law.) Were same to decide, purely independently of course, and with no malice nor thought of illegal activity, to coincidentally start posting themselves in the vicinity of local mosques on Friday afternoons, the ensuing hijinks would be epic.

Seriously, Marines have been killing Muslims since 1801. Now we're just supposed to take off our uniforms and hide. I'm trying to figure out if the enemy is in a faraway land, or just in Washington.

Like the eternal question of blondes and brunettes, the correct answer is "both".

The other side in all this has been playing jihad since the sixth century.
They have continually crossed that line here as well as abroad.
It's long past time to show them why that's a bad idea, in a heads-on-pikes-and-villages-burnt-to-the-ground-with-survivors-inside sort of way.

Meanwhile, if religiously earnest male Muslims start showing up stateside with a hole between their running lights and a fresh pork sausage (or something more intimately familiar) clenched in their newly lifeless mouths, it would be a very good thing.

Nobody does "Group Punishment For Solo Fuck-Ups" as well as the military. That energy should be refocused with laser-like clarity on appropriate targets.

Allahu Akbar, bitchez. Welcome to Big Boy Rules.

[mekender]

Seeing active duty Marines always and at all times and places armed, and as such beyond the reach of any legal authority from communities or states, would solve a host of problems all around, and not just that of Sudden Jihadi Syndrome.

While I do agree with everything you said, that would create a standing army within the US and most people are very uncomfortable with such an idea.

On the subject, Robb Allen wrote about this a while ago:

http://blog.robballen.com/Post/15281/iv ... ging-it-up

In the Marine Corps, I was an Aviation Electrician. My very first aircraft were the UH-1N “Huey” and the AH-1W Super Cobra attack helicopter. The Hueys were on my list mostly because the avionics were swappable, but only one of the squadrons I was in had them. I primarily worked on Cobras, and specifically, I was trained in fire control.

No, that doesn’t mean I worked a Halon extinguisher – my job was basically “If you pull the trigger and it doesn’t go *boom*, fix it”.

The Cobra had a triple barreled 20mm cannon based on the Vulcan, and could carry an assortment of ass kicking missiles, primarily TOW, which it could hold 8 of. I knew the fire control systems inside and out, able to track every wire and every button that had anything to do with “making someone’s day miserable”. I dealt with the helmet mounted tracking, computers, switches, etc.

At 19 years old, I would sit in the cockpits of fully armed Cobra helicopters with the express knowledge of how to arm and deploy an honest to God shitstorm (and even the knowhow to disable the Weight On Wheels sensor so that I could do so while parked on the ground). I was trusted with this. I was trained for it. I was actually pretty damned good at it.

And yet, I was not allowed to carry a gun on base.

Because I couldn’t be trusted with it.

These are the fruits of the anti-gun labor. A Marine, trained in the art of rifles, with a Secret clearance, fully background checked and given access to real, military grade hardware, could not own something as simple as a handgun while on base.

Just let that one roll around in your melon for a while. Savor the irony and enjoy the aftertaste it leaves in your mouth.